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Mitch Rapp 02-10-2023 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3589897)
ALPA proposal passed to the company today

AIP by April 10 th is my best guess

let’s see

April 10 seems to be a completely random date. Any reason why u picked it?

I think Kirby balks and in April we’ll be singing the same ole company is broke or can’t afford us song we’re used to hearing.

BobbyLeeSwagger 02-10-2023 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp (Post 3589924)
April 10 seems to be a completely random date. Any reason why u picked it?

I think Kirby balks and in April we’ll be singing the same ole company is broke or can’t afford us song we’re used to hearing.

I would tend to agree, but Delta has set the rate based on a semi-forced hand by mediation. There's no where to go if your mgmt and have tell the truth to wall street about the revenue environment. How do you fill your vacancies this year without a contract? How do you get through a record summer without the support of the pilots? Due to the volume of hiring across the industry, If you're not first, your last. And Delta is definitely first.

Kirby knows this and conceded the day the Delta AIP came out. He knew the game was up and called it a pass through expense. I'm cautiously optimistic

Mitch Rapp 02-10-2023 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3589929)
I would tend to agree, but Delta has set the rate based on a semi-forced hand by mediation. There's no where to go if your mgmt and have tell the truth to wall street about the revenue environment. How do you fill your vacancies this year without a contract? How do you get through a record summer without the support of the pilots? Due to the volume of hiring across the industry, If you're not first, your last. And Delta is definitely first.

Kirby knows this and conceded the day the Delta AIP came out. He knew the game was up and called it a pass through expense. I'm cautiously optimistic

Good post. I think you’re right. I’m just recovering from 15+ years of airline management tomfoolery coupled with a union with no ⚾️ ⚾️ or backbone 🦴.

TFAYD 02-10-2023 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 3589852)
As a mid continent based pilot you’re right I’d fight against it. You already get higher pay because you’re able to hold a much higher position than you could in any mid continent base. As a matter of fact if we had COLA and PS commuting watch how senior those bases go. I would be 50% in SFO as a WB CA or a bottom reserve in a mid continent. There’s the COLA right there. The people who bid the coastal bases already have it built in.

why wouldn’t you just bid SFO WB CA if it is so great with a COLA adjustment? I am sure folks would be happy to take the “junior0 WB CA seats in IAH if SFO goes senior.

Spartacusbob 02-10-2023 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp (Post 3589793)
Yup and commuters go insane when the subject of local COLA’s (which 99.9% of large corporations use) is brought up for high coast bases.

can the company offer COLA for coastal bases outside of a contract?

PSC and a Cola option would bring balance to the
“Living in base is a choice // commuting is a choice” refrain.

Stability for my children as they wend their way through school is my primary reason for commuting, a distant secondary is taxes. It’s not always all about the taxes.

Sniper66 02-10-2023 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3589908)
I hope you're a month off!

I will not be
Plus or minus 5 days at best
Management needs a TA before summer season starts

BobbyLeeSwagger 02-10-2023 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3589993)
I will not be
Plus or minus 5 days at best

I will retire my screen name if we dont have an AIP by 3/15

unstabilized 02-10-2023 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3589995)
I will retire my screen name if we dont have an AIP by 3/15

I’ll take you on that wager, I’ll retire mine if we do have it by 3/15.

AxlF16 02-11-2023 01:22 AM


Originally Posted by Giordano Bruno (Post 3589564)
accruing hotel points changes the cost structure of procuring rooms.
That might mean getting Hilton points at a Garden Inn, instead of no points at a Hilton. I'd rather stay in a nicer property with no points.

Please don't volunteer for NC or LEC office. This isn't a zero sum situation.

RaginCajun 02-11-2023 06:36 AM

Many surprises in this latest ask.


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