Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 3589035)

1.023 * 1.014 * 1.070 * 1.065 = 18% inflation 2019-2022

What am I missing? Delta's TA is 18/5/5/4 pay raise and 4/4/18 retro, no? So, the combo of pay & retro exceed inflation, that is so long as you accept the statistics on the website I used for inflation data.

https://i.postimg.cc/J4v70Mx6/inflation.jpg

Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3589246)

There is a price for that. And I'll add another often unlooked question.. What do you do about trades?
You get a schedule and PSC and then trade out of it.. and what happens to the PSC?
Also, is it duty time? Will a lawyer some day state that you flew as PSC from xyz up to EWR and so the company knew you were already "on the clock". Keep in mind, I bring up "On the Clock" because the company is getting into our personal lives more and more. If you are in uniform and flying to your trip as a Positive Space Commute, do you now represent the company?
Our company and (hopefully) our union know exactly how many mis commutes there are, and if this is a real problem. And the company already PSC's on weather days.. so is it something to negotiate for? Just asking~

PS) I know it's not technically Duty. But it again opens a can of worms as to what they will call 'duty' in a court of law.


People in base would have a cow ONLY if they weren't also given a piece of that pie.. ie, people who commute do it primarily for the tax purposes. They accept a bit of hardship in their lives for a lot less taxes. Sure, maybe they need a hotel on occasion (as a line holder).. but what about the locals who pay higher amounts of taxes?
If PSC was given to our commuters, would it be fair to say that $500 a month be given to the locals? What will be the cost of PSC?

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As someone who (currently) lives Local, I am actually not against PSC. Just a realist that understands that there is a cost associated with it.
I was always told that about 80% of the pilots in certain bases commute (not Guam!). So, if we are going to do something for the 80% and barely anything for the 20% that live local, should the same hold true for the discussion about Reserve? 80% (or so) are line holders.. only 20%ish are on Reserve. In a career, how long do you think/expect to sit reserve vs. being a lineholder?
Spend more negotiation efforts on the masses and what's left, on the smaller groups?
(lol.. see what I did there)

Keep in mind, would PSC help out the Reserve/Short Call issue we are having now? (I don't think so).

There was that rumor back in early 2022 about the (Tumi) TA and PSC. Turns out it was false.
Delta didn't negotiate it in their current TA and not sure of any major passenger carrier that has it. Not saying it can't be done.. just that no one has pushed for it.
What we SHOULD push for is a Jumpseat agreement like Delta has (with some caveats). You book the jumpseat when you get your trip and it's yours.

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Hope everyone is filling out the union survey. Great to see just a few items being questioned- and a space to put down your own thoughts. Even if you don't agree with the choices, you can still list them and then write in what you really want.

Fly Safe, Fly Professionally and Fly the Contract~

Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3589384)

Give everyone 300k miles a year. Commuters can commute, others can fly their fams to Timbuktu. Done.

Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3589384)

Give everyone 300k miles a year. Commuters can commute, others can fly their fams to Timbuktu. Done.

Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3589408)

dude…
GREAT F’ing way to think outside of the box! Everyone gets 25k a month.. and you use it as needed.

Again, some experts may need to figure out what a round trip would cost in miles., but I LOVE where this is going.
Even if (probably) it doesn’t happen this contract cycle.. what a great thing to think about and shoot for in the future.

:)

Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3589429)

25000 doesn’t get you much if anything.

thr other issue is that mileage inventory is tightly controlled, I.e. it’s inly available when you have a bazillion open seats - you could non rev anyway.

just give 3-4 domestic positive space tickets per month to everyone and call it a day.

Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3589429)

25000 doesn’t get you much if anything.

thr other issue is that mileage inventory is tightly controlled, I.e. it’s inly available when you have a bazillion open seats - you could non rev anyway.

just give 3-4 domestic positive space tickets per month to everyone and call it a day.

Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3589435)

4 per month, and you can carry over 2 for a max of 6. boom

Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3589487)

They PSC instructors and people in training to TK and back..

Always
Motch

Originally Posted by Torque (Post 3588559)

hotel points, positive space commuting.

Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3589124)

that’d be amazing. People living in base would have a cow, though.