777/787 ewr
#43
I don’t see any China out of the east coast coming back without Russia. We simply don’t have an aircraft that can fly it profitably.
ORD will be a stretch to PVG and PEK but it will be doable. HKG will only be reachable out SFO.
we will most likely route all China passengers thru SFO and LAX. With increased frequencies as needed.
ORD will be a stretch to PVG and PEK but it will be doable. HKG will only be reachable out SFO.
we will most likely route all China passengers thru SFO and LAX. With increased frequencies as needed.
Well, I certainly wouldn't bet against your thought, but on the other hand EWR to HKG over Russia and direct is about 8000 miles and we used to do that daily, and EWR to PEK or PVG avoiding Russian airspace is less than 7800 miles so not out of the range of feasibility. As I said several times before the fact that tickets are on sale has not been a good indicator, but at $7k per ticket I'm thinking' it could actually make money, hah! Certainly a LOT more than I'd be willing to pay to go to China - that's for sure.
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A few data points. The crew resources direction as we were coming out of Covid in 2021 was the 777 was going to be the larger base in EWR. Then Putin invaded Ukraine and we lost Russian airspace, which took away the most productive flying (I don't know why EWR-TLV is exclusively 787 right now). With China coming back, it will probably be dominated by SFO, which means 777 EWR will backfill the flying to other destinations from other bases. Lots of 4-6 day trips and "W" flying (EWR-Europe-SFO-Europe-EWR). They don't want to draw down the size of the 777 base in EWR because as soon as Russian airspace opens up the 777 flying will expand dramatically and likely return to three and four day trips. That airspace could open up in months... or years after many of us retire. No one outside the Kremlin knows. LSS... the 777 is the larger base in EWR, but the 787 is the WB future of the airline, particularly as 777s begin leaving the property in '27.
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LAS / MCO / CLE / GUM = 737 (AKA Guppy
Major growth fleet)
LAX / SFO / IAD / DEN / ORD / EWR / IAD = A320 (Minor growth fleet starting this year)
EWR / IAD / IAH / SFO = 777
SFO / LAX / IAH / DEN / IAD / ORD / EWR = B767 / (787 Major growth fleet this decade)
If I missed anything please pass corrections.
Major growth fleet)LAX / SFO / IAD / DEN / ORD / EWR / IAD = A320 (Minor growth fleet starting this year)
EWR / IAD / IAH / SFO = 777
SFO / LAX / IAH / DEN / IAD / ORD / EWR = B767 / (787 Major growth fleet this decade)
If I missed anything please pass corrections.
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LAS / MCO / CLE / GUM = 737 (AKA Guppy
Major growth fleet)
LAX / SFO / IAD / DEN / ORD / EWR / IAD = A320 (Minor growth fleet starting this year)
EWR / IAD / IAH / SFO = 777
SFO / LAX / IAH / DEN / IAD / ORD / EWR = B767 / (787 Major growth fleet this decade)
If I missed anything please pass corrections.
Major growth fleet)LAX / SFO / IAD / DEN / ORD / EWR / IAD = A320 (Minor growth fleet starting this year)
EWR / IAD / IAH / SFO = 777
SFO / LAX / IAH / DEN / IAD / ORD / EWR = B767 / (787 Major growth fleet this decade)
If I missed anything please pass corrections.
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