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Rusticap 01-29-2023 07:58 AM

Vacancy open?
 
Hello, I noticed that I was able to put in my vacancy preference on CCS. Does anyone know when the vacancy will actually be open and when it will be effective?

Bluewaffle 01-29-2023 08:03 AM

The bidding screen usually opens a couple weeks before a Vacancy. We might see one on Friday but who knows.

qltep 01-29-2023 11:50 AM

Probably this week or next week. It’s be about 2 months from the last one.

MasterOfPuppets 01-29-2023 01:09 PM

China has reopened and we are starting direct flights. I wonder if this manpower already exists? Or if we will see a good sized WB CA bid.

also for all you new hires about to be on reserve ina WB….good luck in China. I bet that is all you will see in open time for years to come.

hummingbear 01-29-2023 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3581768)
also for all you new hires about to be on reserve ina WB….good luck in China. I bet that is all you will see in open time for years to come.

A play from the book of “being an a$$ when saying nothing would have worked just fine”.

webecheck 01-29-2023 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3581768)
China has reopened and we are starting direct flights. I wonder if this manpower already exists? Or if we will see a good sized WB CA bid.

also for all you new hires about to be on reserve ina WB….good luck in China. I bet that is all you will see in open time for years to come.

because you think 25hr double augment 3 days with no entry issues and us back at the same hotels is going to go junior?

the rookies will get domestic, island ANF, and bunky Japan/London if they’re lucky.

SquawkIdent 01-29-2023 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3581768)
China has reopened and we are starting direct flights. I wonder if this manpower already exists? Or if we will see a good sized WB CA bid.

also for all you new hires about to be on reserve ina WB….good luck in China. I bet that is all you will see in open time for years to come.

For now, it looks like the only nonstop PVG flight is going out of SFO. SFO has been flying PVG with a tech stop and crew change in ICN, so it's been 1 double-augmented crew SFO-ICN and 1 unaugmented crew ICN-PVG-ICN to do the entire trip. Now that SFO is resuming nonstops, only one double-aug crew will be needed, so I think the manpower easily exists. Maybe there will be a need once EWR-PVG and ORD-PVG resume, but that might be a while.

KnightNight 01-29-2023 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by SquawkIdent (Post 3581926)
For now, it looks like the only nonstop PVG flight is going out of SFO. SFO has been flying PVG with a tech stop and crew change in ICN, so it's been 1 double-augmented crew SFO-ICN and 1 unaugmented crew ICN-PVG-ICN to do the entire trip. Now that SFO is resuming nonstops, only one double-aug crew will be needed, so I think the manpower easily exists. Maybe there will be a need once EWR-PVG and ORD-PVG resume, but that might be a while.

Believe I saw ORD starts in March too

F15andMD11 01-29-2023 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3581768)
...also for all you new hires about to be on reserve in a WB….good luck in LONDON. I bet that is all you will see in open time for years to come.

Fixed it for you.

MasterOfPuppets 01-29-2023 06:11 PM

I guess it depended if it goes back to the 787 or not. I was on reserve in SFO on the 787 and all I ever did was go to PVG I never went to Europe.

And that was before all the Chinese BS…..

snackysmores 01-29-2023 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3581963)
I guess it depended if it goes back to the 787 or not. I was on reserve in SFO on the 787 and all I ever did was go to PVG I never went to Europe.

man’s that was before all the Chinese BS…..

Did you get used a lot ?

MasterOfPuppets 01-29-2023 06:23 PM

If I wasn’t on SC I was in China. I was rarely left on long call

JTwift 01-30-2023 03:15 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3581968)
I was rarely left on long call

weird

(insert sarcasm here)

elmetal 01-30-2023 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 3581878)
because you think 25hr double augment 3 days with no entry issues and us back at the same hotels is going to go junior?

the rookies will get domestic, island ANF, and bunky Japan/London if they’re lucky.

I see this spouted by everyone at UAL. go look at EWR awards. the junior lineholders are flying PLENTY of non domestic flying trips. the whole "you'll be bunkie forever" is nothing but untrue.

Brickfire 01-30-2023 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3582069)
I see this spouted by everyone at UAL. go look at EWR awards. the junior lineholders are flying PLENTY of non domestic flying trips. the whole "you'll be bunkie forever" is nothing but untrue.

hiring has gotten ahead of the pilot groups ability to adapt and respond. non-bunkie lineholder cannot be held by someone on probation at steady state. Nobody hired 18 months ago was thinking “i’ll hold a good widebody line by start of 23, better get the 777 bid in before Christmas!” Give it time; the half-wingers will be back to reserve

elmetal 01-30-2023 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by Brickfire (Post 3582086)
hiring has gotten ahead of the pilot groups ability to adapt and respond. non-bunkie lineholder cannot be held by someone on probation at steady state. Nobody hired 18 months ago was thinking “i’ll hold a good widebody line by start of 23, better get the 777 bid in before Christmas!” Give it time; the half-wingers will be back to reserve


Even in 756, 777 and 787 elsewhere the notion that "you can't get a flying trip" is a misnomer. Majority of lines are half and half on the very bottom end. Go look, I'm not making it up. It's not just about how junior it is in EWR, we can ignore that. I'm saying the notion that bottom lineholders can't hold flying seat is just not True.

ThumbsUp 01-30-2023 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 3582091)
Even in 756, 777 and 787 elsewhere the notion that "you can't get a flying trip" is a misnomer. Majority of lines are half and half on the very bottom end. Go look, I'm not making it up. It's not just about how junior it is in EWR, we can ignore that. I'm saying the notion that bottom lineholders can't hold flying seat is just not True.

I think you need to add “right now” as a qualifier. COVID/Ukraine threw our international flying schedule for loop, so the lure of widebody flying wasn’t what it used to be. If they ever get back to the 2019 and prior schedules, you might see something entirely different as more people will be willing to give up 50% seniority to bid WB FO.

JoePatroni 01-30-2023 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3581768)
China has reopened and we are starting direct flights. I wonder if this manpower already exists? Or if we will see a good sized WB CA bid.

also for all you new hires about to be on reserve ina WB….good luck in China. I bet that is all you will see in open time for years to come.

NRT and HND trips are mega senior, why would China be different? It will pay even more.

MasterOfPuppets 01-30-2023 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by JoePatroni;[url=tel:3582125
3582125[/url]]NRT and HND trips are mega senior, why would China be different? It will pay even more.

we’ll see if people want to deal with getting stuck in China for COVID BS.

I know I don’t trust that everything will be fine. I’m sure within the first month we will have pilots stranded in China.

Zoomie 02-03-2023 06:51 AM

Wondering if this bid is going to happen or not...

qltep 02-03-2023 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Zoomie (Post 3585092)
Wondering if this bid is going to happen or not...

Not even 2 months since the last one opened. Probably next week.

Swakid8 02-03-2023 08:50 AM

Looks like it’s opening today at noon

nemich 02-03-2023 09:23 AM

It is open…

Iregretnothing 02-03-2023 10:08 AM

One document says there are zero 737 captain positions in EWR, another says there are 10 available, and ccs says there are 34 more than what’s on the min max document. Sooooo, what is it?

qltep 02-03-2023 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Iregretnothing (Post 3585268)
One document says there are zero 737 captain positions in EWR, another says there are 10 available, and ccs says there are 34 more than what’s on the min max document. Sooooo, what is it?

I would trust the min max document.

Rusticap 02-03-2023 11:33 AM

Im trying to get 737 LAX FO and am in training right now for the 737. It was not offered it on my initial bid. But has been in the last couple. Do they fill the vacant spots with new hires more junior to you and you just have to hope that there are some spots available? Thank you all in advance…

Seminole00 02-03-2023 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Rusticap (Post 3585327)
Im trying to get 737 LAX FO and am in training right now for the 737. It was not offered it on my initial bid. But has been in the last couple. Do they fill the vacant spots with new hires more junior to you and you just have to hope that there are some spots available? Thank you all in advance…

You can bid for vacancies right away

Aztecsfight 02-03-2023 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Rusticap (Post 3585327)
Im trying to get 737 LAX FO and am in training right now for the 737. It was not offered it on my initial bid. But has been in the last couple. Do they fill the vacant spots with new hires more junior to you and you just have to hope that there are some spots available? Thank you all in advance…

You will more than 99 percent get LAX 737 FO on this bid.
They could make you go to base you are in now after training for a few months but may not.
Bid LAX 737 FO 100 percent

ThumbsUp 02-03-2023 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Rusticap (Post 3585327)
Im trying to get 737 LAX FO and am in training right now for the 737. It was not offered it on my initial bid. But has been in the last couple. Do they fill the vacant spots with new hires more junior to you and you just have to hope that there are some spots available? Thank you all in advance…


To answer your question a little more specifically, vacancies have to be awarded to those currently on property before they are are awarded to new hires. So new hires are always offered the non-awarded positions of a previous vacancy during BI. Exactly what of those leftovers is offered is up to crew resources. Now that you are on property, you can bid the current vacancy. If awarded it, you would move no later than the activation date. Most likely sooner, though.

Rusticap 02-03-2023 12:21 PM

Got it, thank you guys!

ugleeual 02-03-2023 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 3582125)
NRT and HND trips are mega senior, why would China be different? It will pay even more.

when I used to fly PEK the trips from IAD (EWR) were 4 days… NRT were 3 days… NRT went senior and PEK went junior for multiple reasons.

Iregretnothing 02-03-2023 05:15 PM

Isn’t there supposed to be a snapshot tonight (Friday)?

TFAYD 02-03-2023 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Iregretnothing (Post 3585502)
Isn’t there supposed to be a snapshot tonight (Friday)?

no - first snapshot on Monday

Tesla S 02-03-2023 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by Iregretnothing (Post 3585502)
Isn’t there supposed to be a snapshot tonight (Friday)?

It’s like a sit-com cliff hanger… first snap after the weekend

jtbost 02-04-2023 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 3585380)
when I used to fly PEK the trips from IAD (EWR) were 4 days… NRT were 3 days… NRT went senior and PEK went junior for multiple reasons.


I flew PEK for years as a 3 day. Worked 9 days a month. Loved it until 117 came along.

jeff

Earthboundmsfit 02-04-2023 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by jtbost (Post 3585654)
I flew PEK for years as a 3 day. Worked 9 days a month. Loved it until 117 came along.

jeff

Why would the 117 regs have any effect on the length of that trip?

JoePatroni 02-04-2023 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by Earthboundmsfit (Post 3586075)
Why would the 117 regs have any effect on the length of that trip?

The duty window for non-acclimated crews is much smaller than if they are acclimated. The company added a day for the cost of per diem to use the bigger window.

MasterOfPuppets 02-04-2023 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by Earthboundmsfit;[url=tel:3586075
3586075[/url]]Why would the 117 regs have any effect on the length of that trip?

the same reason why we augment flights to the UK that are less than 8 hours each way.

the company can’t add a pilot to a four man crew so they have to add a day.

ClearCreek 02-04-2023 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by jtbost (Post 3585654)
I flew PEK for years as a 3 day. Worked 9 days a month. Loved it until 117 came along.

jeff

We have found dinosaur bones on APC.

hslightnin 02-05-2023 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by ClearCreek (Post 3586184)
We have found dinosaur bones on APC.


wasn’t that long ago..


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