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02-09-2023, 07:35 AM
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Just out of curiosity but for a new contract why not just have rsv blocks which are yours. Morning noon nite with no moveable reserve days Never change and are just set. Seems simple enough in a new contract. Is that something that's being pushed ?
02-09-2023, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Swindler128
Just out of curiosity but for a new contract why not just have rsv blocks which are yours. Morning noon nite with no moveable reserve days Never change and are just set. Seems simple enough in a new contract. Is that something that's being pushed ?
There are numerous ways to "fix" reserve. The last negotiating committee tried to use financial incentives based on previously observed pilot behavior to incentivize pilots to pick up the bad deals and SCs etc. This method was overwhelmingly rejected.
Company wants max flexibility to protect the system. Reserve pilots want fixed rules that allow predictability/transparency in scheduling and protection of time off and abuse of any flexibility granted to the company. Line pilots want the flying their seniority can hold protected from flexibility given to the company.
02-09-2023, 07:57 AM
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Makes sense in a way though recently a wise man told me that looking only at a contract that you think only affects you is a poor choice. Clearly if one is a junior lineholder they then care about rsv as they could move up farther. I guess I'm looking at it where at NK the qol rules are amazing and frankly simple. Here it's like a maze tbh. I'm not sure why people don't look at what they have and say yes we want that please
02-09-2023, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FlewNavy
That is too far away to sit reserve on the 756 which could be a couple of years (worst case).
Picture this scenario:
Friday night short call that starts at 2100. You drive up with short call distance to start your 13 hour short call window. At 0100 screw scheduling calls you and releases you from short call and reassigns you another short call with min rest. So now you drive home at 0100 to get some sleep to then drive back within short call range at 1100. You sit 8-10 hours of your 14hr short call and after the early LHR flights coast out they call you and put you on min rest for a 0600 short call the following day to cover the morning bank. This time you sit the full 14hr short call and are released. The next morning is your last day off and you have "reserve days off" the next 3 days. You are just getting your coffee and they call you with the late LHR/FRA trip departing 14 hrs later and your next two "off days" are rolled and if you had plans you have to cancel them.
Lather rinse repeat.
Picture this scenario:
Friday night short call that starts at 2100. You drive up with short call distance to start your 13 hour short call window. At 0100 screw scheduling calls you and releases you from short call and reassigns you another short call with min rest. So now you drive home at 0100 to get some sleep to then drive back within short call range at 1100. You sit 8-10 hours of your 14hr short call and after the early LHR flights coast out they call you and put you on min rest for a 0600 short call the following day to cover the morning bank. This time you sit the full 14hr short call and are released. The next morning is your last day off and you have "reserve days off" the next 3 days. You are just getting your coffee and they call you with the late LHR/FRA trip departing 14 hrs later and your next two "off days" are rolled and if you had plans you have to cancel them.
Lather rinse repeat.
02-09-2023, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
I am on the 756 out of DCA.
02-09-2023, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by QOLmax
Swakid, were you at SWA before UAL? If so, how long? How would you compare overall QOL between the two? I'm 5 yrs in to my sentence at SWA, also in the DC area, and seriously considering applying at UAL.
So I couldn’t answer your question.
02-11-2023, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by QOLmax
What's a typical schedule look like on the 756? How about line vs reserve? Any idea roughly what % of time reserves get called in?
It will vary wildly between seasons and staffing levels.
Reserve: Busy months - you will work every day on reserve. Quiet months - might deal with a few SCs only. Global reserve rules so only 6 days off you can make hard plans.
Jr Lineholder: Mix of Domestic and 3 Day LHRs and 6 Day W flying with 18 Days Off.
Sr Lineholder: Mostly 3 day Europe 4-5 trips per month.
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