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Round Luggage 03-15-2023 09:30 AM

“…buying those planes with cash!”

OpieTaylor 03-16-2023 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by CQKSNT (Post 3608150)
the majority of the 1Q loss was from the anticipated additional pilot labor.

Is this from hiring more pilots than are retiring, or from the pilot labor rates? Seems like United isn’t growing available seat miles as fast as it is adding pilots to the payroll, and then blaming a CBA.

PK387 03-16-2023 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by OpieTaylor (Post 3608485)
Is this from hiring more pilots than are retiring, or from the pilot labor rates? Seems like United isn’t growing available seat miles as fast as it is adding pilots to the payroll, and then blaming a CBA.

Their exact motivations/reasons are open to interpretation by APC experts, but the exact verbiage in the 8K says:

The Company has determined that it is appropriate to accrue expense in the first quarter 2023 related to a potential new collective bargaining agreement with employees represented by the Air Line Pilots Association. This accrual represents a shift in the timing of the associated expense from the second quarter 2023 into the first quarter 2023.

https://ir.united.com/node/30341/html

rickair7777 03-16-2023 09:29 AM

Media speculation: negotiating tactic.


https://liveandletsfly.com/united-ai...lots-contract/

Agent62 03-16-2023 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3608629)
Media speculation: negotiating tactic.


https://liveandletsfly.com/united-ai...lots-contract/

I have decided that liveandletsfly is an APC troll that started a aviation 'news' website. That website consistently has some of the worst takes I read, including here or anywhere else around the internet.

I highly doubt in this negotiating environment C-suite management is sitting around trying to figure out how to, "scare" the pilots. It is clearly a financial excuse to hide softer than planned demand through Jan-Feb with the higher fuel costs hidden in the obscurity of the pilot contract.

This entire 8k filing is bogus news.

El Peso 04-12-2023 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 3607262)
already being discussed:

This is straight out of the 8k

the Company has determined that it is appropriate to accrue expense in the first quarter 2023 related to a potential new collective bargaining agreement with employees represented by the Air Line Pilots Association. This accrual represents a shift in the timing of the associated expense from the second quarter 2023 into the first quarter 2023.

So now that Kirby has openly suggested that mediation may to be the path forward, will UAL be revising their guidance for Q1 to show a profit? I’m guessing nope. Weird huh?

BobbyLeeSwagger 04-12-2023 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3623299)
So now that Kirby has openly suggested that mediation may to be the path forward, will UAL be revising their guidance for Q1 to show a profit? I’m guessing nope. Weird huh?

It's another empty threat. I don't think the company can afford to go to mediation.. that would mean hundreds more unfilled CA vacancies. There's no way they could absorb that.

unstabilized 04-12-2023 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3623299)
So now that Kirby has openly suggested that mediation may to be the path forward, will UAL be revising their guidance for Q1 to show a profit? I’m guessing nope. Weird huh?

Where was this said?

iahflyr 04-12-2023 11:50 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3623334)
that would mean hundreds more unfilled CA vacancies. There's no way they could absorb that.

I don’t think management is really worried about this. United is hiring thousands and every month there are more people eligible to bid captain.

Whenever there is a new contract (I predict 2024), the seniority required to hold captain will increase. Therefore I predict some junior th pilots taking the plunge over the next few months in order to lock in their spot that they won’t be able to hold after the new contract.

EwrRocks 04-13-2023 02:29 AM


Originally Posted by unstabilized (Post 3623336)
Where was this said?

At TK town hall yesterday.


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