Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3615628)

This sounds like people saying that they’re law abiding taxpayers and they should know what is going on at Skunk Works or inside military strategy sessions. Just like our government, there are parts of the union that are publicly accessible, and parts that go on behind closed doors. We elected our reps to do this work. The last bunch failed miserably and were replaced. This new bunch just got started, they seem to be holding the line, so yes, we assume all is well and let them work. Demanding a contract now is premature considering that we just started over. The only way to accomplish that is for one side to cave, and I just don’t see that happening.

Originally Posted by cal73 (Post 3615641)

JHC on a popsicle stick, I’m not asking for a stealth fighter and the MEC is not the federal government. Lol. I support Garth and the MEC. After listening to Garth’s speech and actually meeting the man, I have no doubt that he has our best interests in mind. I’m just asking for a smattering of details about positions on a contract that will directly influence my quality of life for the next (and let’s be honest) 10 years.

Originally Posted by cal73 (Post 3615641)

JHC on a popsicle stick, I’m not asking for a stealth fighter and the MEC is not the federal government. Lol. I support Garth and the MEC. After listening to Garth’s speech and actually meeting the man, I have no doubt that he has our best interests in mind. I’m just asking for a smattering of details about positions on a contract that will directly influence my quality of life for the next (and let’s be honest) 10 years.

Originally Posted by FlyingFarmer22 (Post 3615632)

Can somebody please enlighten me as to why involuntary Field Standby is something that every other major airline in the country, as well as nearly all regionals, can survive without, but we “can’t”? There seems to be a degree of Stockholm syndrome present in the acceptance and repetition of that company line. This shouldn’t even be a question. And Global Reserve? Every other airline has widebodies. We have more, so we should staff more widebody pilots - enough to cover the operation like any airline. Yet UAL sells us operating with fewer pilots by being able to roll all days off but six in your month, saying it is necessary for the operation of the airline. No - it’s necessary to operate the category with LESS PILOTS, because we all are available for more days. FSB and Global Reserve aren’t “necessary for the United Operation”, they’re necessary for the United to squeeze more value out of each pilot at direct expense to their QOL. Every other airline laughs at us for swallowing the FSB and Global reserve pill. Who can blame them?

Originally Posted by cal73 (Post 3615610)

So as a dues paying, meeting attending, poll taking member in good standing for 23 years I should just assume all is well? Are you friends or acquaintances with the MEC or NC? They carry water for us.
Contract now or show us why not

Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3615704)

Not personally acquainted with any of those guys; just stating that this system of closed door negotiations is better for you & I than the alternative. If all 15,000 of us had a real-time view of every proposal, counter-proposal, and quid-pro-quo every step of the way, both sides would be far more guarded in their negotiating positions, & the rate of progress you complain about today would slow to a fraction of its present pace.

I certainly get the frustration of a drawn out wait, but to paraphrase Churchill, this is the least efficient way to negotiate- except for every other way possible. If you think the current NC is derelict in providing us the information we deserve, you are free to bring a recall measure, but I think most of us are confident enough in our new representation-for now- to allow them to see the job through.

Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3615704)

Not personally acquainted with any of those guys; just stating that this system of closed door negotiations is better for you & I than the alternative. If all 15,000 of us had a real-time view of every proposal, counter-proposal, and quid-pro-quo every step of the way, both sides would be far more guarded in their negotiating positions, & the rate of progress you complain about today would slow to a fraction of its present pace.

I certainly get the frustration of a drawn out wait, but to paraphrase Churchill, this is the least efficient way to negotiate- except for every other way possible. If you think the current NC is derelict in providing us the information we deserve, you are free to bring a recall measure, but I think most of us are confident enough in our new representation-for now- to allow them to see the job through.

Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3615760)

Kirby is likely dragging his feet so he’s not embarrassed by Isom publicizing a better AIP while the TA is out for a vote like last time…

Originally Posted by cal73 (Post 3615743)

Derelict is not what I’m saying at all. Like I said, I trust Garth is doing the best he can but I think some more concrete v abstract negotiations updates would go a long way for not only me but to informing some of our halfwingers that really haven’t gone through a section 6 before. And is it too late to ask for a pony?