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Mitch Rapp 03-26-2023 09:36 AM
Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3614036)
all accrued sick time should go to VEBA or RHA
then I am ok with the DALs system for all pilots

or pay out 75% min if not 100% of sick time balance upon retirement as cash pay out
Jeff Brown was adamant that management sees sick time as a “1 for 1” type thing. In other words, increasing sick time accrual was “difficult” according to Jeff because management saw 1 hour of sick time equivalent to 1 hour of pay.

If I quoted Jeff accurately, then payout or transfer of sick time to VEBA/RHA should be at 100%.

Hedley 03-26-2023 09:54 AM
Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3614075)

An intangible that is sometimes missed, however, is how you are treated on disability vs sick leave. When you are on sick leave, you're on the payroll as an actual employee, and have active employee benefits. If you're on disability, you're not. at least at DAL.
This is a major factor. When on LTD at UA you don’t accrue vacation (nor can you even bid vacation), no b-fund match, you pay your portion of insurance out of pocket, LTD payments are from an insurance policy and not wages and therefore not qualifying for 401(k) contributions, etc. LTD is a safety net that I wouldn’t want to be without, but I’d also like to avoid it if possible.

gzsg 03-26-2023 10:02 AM
APA negotiating update shows good progress.

Definitely a TA by April 15th.

IMO

Good for the United pilots for them to go first.

horrido27 03-26-2023 10:20 AM
Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 3614107)
APA negotiating update shows good progress.

Definitely a TA by April 15th.

IMO

Good for the United pilots for them to go first.
Well, not having seen or heard anything about their progress, we will just have to go with your post.
if true, and they ARE making progress and DO have an respectable TA in 3 weeks- it’s almost game set match for us this year.

Are we looking at FLIBS 2?!

asking for a friend ~

gzsg 03-26-2023 10:25 AM
  • APA has proposed an industry-plus pay methodology that is based on pay by equipment with retroactivity back to 1/1/2023.
  • Back-pay from 1/1/2020 to 12/31/2022.
  • 401(k) Company contribution increases.
  • 401(k) Company contributions commencing at date of hire.
  • A robust Profit-Sharing model to match Delta Air Lines' plan, effective for the 2023 profit sharing payout.
  • A mid-contract market rate adjustment to offset competitors receiving rate increases during the term of the new agreement.
  • Industry-leading international and narrowbody overseas overrides.

gzsg 03-26-2023 10:26 AM
APA

APA Negotiating

ALLED PILOTS

ASSOCIATION

Committee Update

Negotiations Update

Fellow pilots,

Offsite negotiations continue. At this point, formal passes, term sheets, or proposed contract language have been exchanged on almost every section of the contract. Many of these items are on the one-yard line, but some key areas require additional bargaining, to include overall valuation. It is the APA's position that the sum total of this contract must be industry leading for our pilots, and with a robust pay structure that will not be summarily exceeded or snapped up to by other carriers' future contracts. We remain resolved that with diligent effort by both APA and AA, the terms of such an agreement can be laid down and communicated before we finish this round of intensive negotiations.

Bahamasflyer 03-26-2023 10:27 AM
Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 3614116)
  • APA has proposed an industry-plus pay methodology that is based on pay by equipment with retroactivity back to 1/1/2023.
  • Back-pay from 1/1/2020 to 12/31/2022.
  • 401(k) Company contribution increases.
  • 401(k) Company contributions commencing at date of hire.
  • A robust Profit-Sharing model to match Delta Air Lines' plan, effective for the 2023 profit sharing payout.
  • A mid-contract market rate adjustment to offset competitors receiving rate increases during the term of the new agreement.
  • Industry-leading international and narrowbody overseas overrides.
No mention about drastically improved work rules? That seems ominous.

cal73 03-26-2023 10:46 AM
Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer (Post 3614123)
No mention about drastically improved work rules? That seems ominous.
I don’t want to cast aspersions but at least the AA mec update mentioned something. Cough! UALPA

El Peso 03-26-2023 11:01 AM
Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer (Post 3614123)
No mention about drastically improved work rules? That seems ominous.
Thats because you’re reading a few bullet points from a much longer email.

Race Bannon 03-26-2023 11:51 AM
Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3614153)
Thats because you’re reading a few bullet points from a much longer email.
Sometimes MORE IS MORE. Enquiring minds and all that. If gzsg has it spill it.
Especially the date specific APR 15 contract Nostradamus guarantee.


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