Negotiations have transitioned to nonstop.

IMO both TAs will occur before April 15th.

Stay on your reps and tell them to take their time. The time to fix quality of life is now.

 

Both Isom and Kirby can wait it out for a bit but UAL is in worse shape than AA. AA upgrade times are dropping and AA still has the ability to force upgrades if vacancies go unfilled. After a year of unfilled CA upgrade vacancies UAL reserve rules are so bad that they’re going to have start parking 737s for staffing as new ones get delivered. I wonder if the cheerleaders at UAL are going to brag about parking an aircraft every three days…

 

What source says they have transitioned to “nonstop”?

 

This is that Delta [Pilot] again.. [Mod Edit]

 

Something to keep in mind-
When we got Kirby (yes, it is OUR Airline.. as we are here for our careers unlike upper management which comes and goes) many American Airline Pilots tried to warn of us what we were getting.

Fast forward to last year and if it wasn't Isom ****ing with Kirby and our carrier, we would have been operating under the Tumi TA. Isom didn't do it because he loved us, he did it to slam our CEO.
Now he is also faced with a dilemma as his pilot group is getting more ****ed at him and their operation then our group is..
So, he circumvents his union and send out that video and email about being the highest paid.. etc..

I do see a ****ing contest between them both. And Delta (and Ed) watching and laughing at all this.

I still believe there's a chance that we WILL have an ILC23 by next month. And if we don't, the odds of American getting one ahead of us are probably greatly enhanced. At which point, you have to wonder what our BoD will say and do about what SK has done.

 

What makes you guys think there is any rush to get this done?

The BOD would probably give Kirby a bonus for getting it done last. Every day that passes without an agreement is a discount for UAL.

Pilot services 40% off!

 

I disagree, retro is industry standard now. They’re essentially already paying, they should probably get some operational reliability for the money.

 

Who is getting full retro? Delta didn’t. Their back pay was at a ~50% discount. There is no direct financial benefit for the company to settle early.

 

Even if retro is paid back to the amendable date at the new pay rates, the company will still have been operating using the old work rules that will certainly be advantageous for them.

 

They got 14% retro for ALL of 2022 FYI. and 18% for all of 2023. (and 4% for 2020 and 4% for 2021 but who's counting) All in all they got from Jan 2020 to Dec 31 2022 a combine retro rate of 7.3% per year (if you wanna look at it that way)