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Old 03-28-2023 | 03:56 PM
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“Fairness”….HA! Like ANYTHING in life, let alone this ridiculous career…..is “fair”

When I see a bunch of junior pilots pooling their resources to start a fund for those who were furloughed twice or lost their pensions due to bankruptcy…..I’ll believe that “fairness” is a priority.

*crickets
Old 03-28-2023 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
it’s 100% “get out of my seat/line/vacation slot”. Period
This couldn't be further from the truth. I'm honestly happy to spend the next 30 years in my current seat. It's 100% about safety for me. I have flown with pilots over 65 and it isn't pretty. About half were fine, but the others were extremely weak and had no idea how much the other pilot was helping them. And even in 121, I have flown with a handful of 60-plus who were trending in the wrong direction. Before we even think about increasing the retirement age, we need a complete revamp of the FAA medical process.
Old 03-28-2023 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
When I see a bunch of junior pilots pooling their resources to start a fund for those who were furloughed twice or lost their pensions due to bankruptcy…..
That makes zero sense. Junior pilots haven't earned as much as any furloughed pilot senior to them.
Old 03-28-2023 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
“Fairness”….HA! Like ANYTHING in life, let alone this ridiculous career…..is “fair”

When I see a bunch of junior pilots pooling their resources to start a fund for those who were furloughed twice or lost their pensions due to bankruptcy…..I’ll believe that “fairness” is a priority.

*crickets
Sorry your timing sucked, gonna have to take that up with your parents, though.

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Old 03-28-2023 | 06:15 PM
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…filler for you
Old 03-28-2023 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Galaxy5
Sorry your timing sucked, gonna have to take that up with your parents, though.

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I have plenty of time left. Things staying at 65 definitely helps me. I’m just calling BS where I see it.
Old 03-28-2023 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiskeyjet1
No, it’s both safety and fairness. 63 seems to be the magic number where some folks really decline rapidly. A small percentage to be sure, but significant. It’s a problem that would grow exponentially if we change the age to 67.

It’s also not fair for folks who benefited from mandatory retirement age their whole career to get two bonus years at the very top of the heap, while most of us will lose those two years because I won’t be flying that long I promise you.
When I was young, age 30 seemed to be the magic number when some folks really declined rapidly. “Never trust anyone over 30.” The, when I hit 30, it was 40..
Old 03-28-2023 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
When I was young, age 30 seemed to be the magic number when some folks really declined rapidly. “Never trust anyone over 30.” The, when I hit 30, it was 40..
So… don’t trust people over 65, or 67?
Old 03-29-2023 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Whiskeyjet1
No, it’s both safety and fairness. 63 seems to be the magic number where some folks really decline rapidly. A small percentage to be sure, but significant. It’s a problem that would grow exponentially if we change the age to 67.

It’s also not fair for folks who benefited from mandatory retirement age their whole career to get two bonus years at the very top of the heap, while most of us will lose those two years because I won’t be flying that long I promise you.
You mean like the 570s (which includes a former MEC vice chair and former MEC chair now ALPA 1st VP)? Never has a group benefited so much by being opportunists every chance they got.
Old 03-29-2023 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dmeg13021
Get out of my seat…just like you agreed to at 60 when you got hired.
This is jacassery at best… there was no maximum age at one point, then some arbitrary age 60 was applied…for reasons. Then a new arbitrary 65 was instituted.

We could use an update to the FAA medical process, but the majority of 65 year olds are still sharp and are able to continue. I say let move the age to 68 and update the medical certification standards.
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