Union communication directly to attendees of these functions about that kind of behavior should be happening. Everyone should be turning their backs.

 

I am considering mediation is a good thing to get the contract done. -SK

 

The negotiating vc didn't resign after tumi, seeing all the people recalled after the tumi sales job and the delta ta... but now he decides to resign? The time to resign was almost a year ago.

 

Did he really mention mediation? If so, can you share what he said in a complete sentence?

 

From a friend:

Just got out of the Scott Kirby TK Q&A. The tone was clearly disapproval from the pilot group. Basically group he presented too was 60% NH, 20% instructors&pilots, 20% non pilot TK staff. The 20% instructors & pilots were the most vocal.

Kirby's take - company proposal is worth more than DL etc etc - said Mediation may be the next or only step.- only 40 pilots really took the upgrade (rest were SUPs or lateral) in the last vacancy. Said the CA vacancies may lead to growth problems. Contract only way he sees fixing it.- United is not largest in Pacific and Atlantic

ALPA Reps, Instructors & Pilots - pointed out company offer it’s not a 1:1 with DL in terms of QOL or total value - Denver FO rep spoke out, saying he’s personally at negotiations (unlike Kirby), company does not appear as willing to work for a good agreement as Kirby claims. (Kirby kinda back tracked on this, telling the pilot group to read ALPAs latest comm, and ask themselves if they want what’s on the table).

Instructors spoke out about how Kirby is losing morale, and trust from the pilot group (including the evaluators and PIs) as a whole as this contract drags out. It’s overdue.

From my perspective, there really was no other way to interpret it other than in this Q&A Kirby was on the spot. The pilot group was unified in their disappointment. It doesn’t appear we are very close on a deal.

 

This sounds like a productive show of disapproval from the pilot group. Bravo!

 

New routes coming soon
United is 39% bigger in the Atlantic, competitors are -2%.
We hope to get the deal done at the table but if we need to go another avenue (Mediation) we will.
The ask isn’t economical
United is stacking cash to build the runway longer to ensure furloughs are never a threat.
$5B in debt paid this year already. Lots more to do.
90 jets this year, 179 next. 1 787 every two weeks.
NO timeline given for UPA when asked directly
New bases in 2026/7 - His “Skunkworks” team is working on it.
767 replacement is the 787
757 replacement is the XLR
More contract talk - compared DALs vacation to our vacation. They get less days off per year, therefore they get paid more for those days vs. us.
The 79 out of 159 work/life rules need to be adjusted in order to be economical for UAL to stay competitive.
Less regional flying will mean more mainline gates at already congested hubs.
Very concerned with upgrades. Without upgrades we cannot grow. Leaning on the new contract for reprieve.

 

Smoke and mirrors

Again, the fact you typed this out “United is stacking cash to build the runway longer to ensure furloughs are never a threat” proves you’re a massive sucker.

“Stacking cash to help save furloughs”. I’ll tell you what, Scotty boy’s BS’ing has no bounds.

 

 

It's being played out in real-time