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TechTanker 04-27-2023 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 3625068)
Thoughts on UA or any legacy for that matter to withstand the recession the Fed predicted a few days ago? Hiring about to stop? Absorbed due to retirements? Seems like a potential risk to go to the bottom of a seniority list with a faltering economy, or maybe worth it to leave an LCC? Never an easy choice I guess.

If you always expect a furlough and have your ducks in a row before hand then you have nothing to worry about. Hindsight is always 20/20 but I think the bigger question would be, what if United never furloughed and I stayed at XYZ LCC because I was too scared? I’ve seen way too many people who got too comfortable in their current spot and stayed at a doomed airline because of various temporary reasons.

One guy I flew with at XJT said he couldn’t leave for Continental because he couldn’t take the pay cut for one year or go without insurance for 6 months. Where is XJT now? While a LCC is different animal than a regional, the odds of United going bankrupt and shuttering doors is slim compared to a place like Spirit or other LCC.

Again, if you prepare for the worst when times are good then the rough times, when they do come, aren’t so bad.

jumppilot 04-28-2023 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by TechTanker (Post 3629803)
If you always expect a furlough and have your ducks in a row before hand then you have nothing to worry about. Hindsight is always 20/20 but I think the bigger question would be, what if United never furloughed and I stayed at XYZ LCC because I was too scared? I’ve seen way too many people who got too comfortable in their current spot and stayed at a doomed airline because of various temporary reasons.

One guy I flew with at XJT said he couldn’t leave for Continental because he couldn’t take the pay cut for one year or go without insurance for 6 months. Where is XJT now? While a LCC is different animal than a regional, the odds of United going bankrupt and shuttering doors is slim compared to a place like Spirit or other LCC.

Again, if you prepare for the worst when times are good then the rough times, when they do come, aren’t so bad.

I was recently flying with a former COEX pilot and he showed me a picture of the new hire classes in the FOU.

”Hey, I know that guy. He had the chance to flow over in the 90s with me. Said he couldn’t take the pay cut. He’d be a 777 CA if he flowed over back then.”

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NuGuy 04-28-2023 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by jumppilot (Post 3629865)
I was recently flying with a former COEX pilot and he showed me a picture of the new hire classes in the FOU.

”Hey, I know that guy. He had the chance to flow over in the 90s with me. Said he couldn’t take the pay cut. He’d be a 777 CA if he flowed over back then.”
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Over the course of my career, I've known a few people like this. When they say it's about the money, it's not about the money. There is almost universally something else going on.

iahflyr 04-28-2023 07:10 PM

Everyone who thinks a recession will not affect a major airline right now because of the forecast growth should go read the FedEx forums. They are parking planes, closing bases, displacements…

Guppydriver95 04-28-2023 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 3630197)
Everyone who thinks a recession will not affect a major airline right now because of the forecast growth should go read the FedEx forums. They are parking planes, closing bases, displacements…

Recessions come and go. They typically last about 18 months. Kirby spent billions in bio fuel research, electric helicopters, boom jet initiatives, a flight academy, excessive executive pay, and over 8 billion in stock buybacks over the last several years. Not a peep about recession concerns. Now it’s time to pay the pilots the market rate already set by Delta, and suddenly he lost his checkbook. Recession!! blah blah. Same crap from every CEO. FUPM.

SmarterOlive 04-29-2023 07:03 AM

In it now?
 

Originally Posted by DJIA (Post 3625235)
The most predicted recession ever. Been waiting 12 months now for the recession to show up. And still waiting….

Some experts would say that we are already in a recession and really just looking for the soft landing at the end of it.

Shrek 04-29-2023 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 3630197)
Everyone who thinks a recession will not affect a major airline right now because of the forecast growth should go read the FedEx forums. They are parking planes, closing bases, displacements…

The cargo sector is getting hit a lot harder this time around unfortunately. Couple that with Amazon’s plan to fly their own boxes…..

BlueScholar 04-29-2023 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 3630197)
Everyone who thinks a recession will not affect a major airline right now because of the forecast growth should go read the FedEx forums. They are parking planes, closing bases, displacements…

That ignores the fact that Fedex been planing on parking their older planes, streamlining fleets and bases makes sense, and that there’s more air cargo competition than ever before. Kinda reminds me of when folks panicked because fedex did their annual hiring and training freeze for the holidays. Context is everything.

Swakid8 04-29-2023 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by BlueScholar (Post 3630402)
That ignores the fact that Fedex been planing on parking their older planes, streamlining fleets and bases makes sense, and that there’s more air cargo competition than ever before. Kinda reminds me of when folks panicked because fedex did their annual hiring and training freeze for the holidays. Context is everything.

‘On top of that, Cargo is coming back to earth after the big Covid cargo boom that was unsustainable long term….. That’s context as well…

iahflyr 04-30-2023 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3630417)
‘On top of that, Cargo is coming back to earth after the big Covid cargo boom that was unsustainable long term….. That’s context as well…

Fair, we all knew cargo would come back to earth after COVID. But we also know the post-COVID revenge travel will be in the same category. So now replace the word cargo with air travel, and the word COVID with post-COVID…


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3630417)
‘On top of that, Cargo air travel is coming back to earth after the big post-Covid cargo air travel boom that was unsustainable long term….. That’s context as well…

I don’t know about you, but I’ve got my recession savings ready to go.


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