4 Items in 5 Weeks | Company is Stalling
05-02-2023 | 09:30 AM
#21
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You are living in a dream world.
05-02-2023 | 10:00 AM
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A strike is only leverage if it is actually able to happen. A major airline will never be allowed to strike, company knows that, union knows that and passengers know it. A Democratic administration just blocked a rail strike, who’s members were fighting for 3 more sick days.
A mediated contract, agreed to by United’s most direct competitor and approved by 75% of membership sealed United’s outcome through mediation or not. Delta 7.2 billion set the floor, and defined the rough area of total contract cost. United and American now need to how figure out how best they wish to get to 7.5 or 7.8 billion for them. I’m not saying it’s right, it’s not. Unions should never agree to anything less then that no matter how long it takes.
The RLA gives all the leverage to the companies. Every day past the amendable date the membership is giving up money and time that even with 100% retro they will never get back. Airline membership mentality also continues to keep what little leverage they may have with the company. The game is rigged for the companies and stacked against transportation unions. I hate this fact, it sucks.
I do think the company has some structural things that without a deal will really hamper them and their stock price over time. I don’t think dragging this out is in their best interest in the larger picture. Yet, they have witnessed real weakness and disfunction in our union, and are going to make us earn whatever agreement we get.
I choose to remain optimistic, and think a deal is sooner rather than later. Could I be wrong, absolutely. Optimism is never without setbacks, it is the belief in a positive outcome over time even with these obstacles along the way.
A mediated contract, agreed to by United’s most direct competitor and approved by 75% of membership sealed United’s outcome through mediation or not. Delta 7.2 billion set the floor, and defined the rough area of total contract cost. United and American now need to how figure out how best they wish to get to 7.5 or 7.8 billion for them. I’m not saying it’s right, it’s not. Unions should never agree to anything less then that no matter how long it takes.
The RLA gives all the leverage to the companies. Every day past the amendable date the membership is giving up money and time that even with 100% retro they will never get back. Airline membership mentality also continues to keep what little leverage they may have with the company. The game is rigged for the companies and stacked against transportation unions. I hate this fact, it sucks.
I do think the company has some structural things that without a deal will really hamper them and their stock price over time. I don’t think dragging this out is in their best interest in the larger picture. Yet, they have witnessed real weakness and disfunction in our union, and are going to make us earn whatever agreement we get.
I choose to remain optimistic, and think a deal is sooner rather than later. Could I be wrong, absolutely. Optimism is never without setbacks, it is the belief in a positive outcome over time even with these obstacles along the way.
05-02-2023 | 10:18 AM
#24
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Me, or Kirby? I said Kirby thinks we are staffed for this summer. Putin, I mean Kirby, has lots of generals(Zach “the weasel” Shapiro says LPA’s have lots of room to go up) telling him that all is good on the front line. I know this summer will be an unmitigated disaster. Good thing I don’t do domestic flying. Lots of people will pick up overtime which will soften the blow. I also remember your overt optimism about getting a good contract this spring… Tell me, who was living in a dream world again?
05-02-2023 | 05:15 PM
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The reality is that we’re not going to, nor were we ever, going get all of the open items. There are obviously too many open items to get close to a TA, but both sides will end up giving a little in the end. Don’t know that Mediation will really accelerate things at this point since both sides are frequently meeting and slow progress is being made. For right now, being junior (not just reserve, but junior line holders also) at United with our current book discourages people from filling vacancies. That won’t change until the book changes. The company can either address that problem or delay aircraft deliveries and slow the planned United Next expansion. This MEC is focused on the right deal, not a quick “temporary fix”. It’s refreshing to see.
https://aviationweek.com/air-transpo...second-quarter
05-02-2023 | 06:51 PM
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good news deliveries are behind schedule anyway
https://aviationweek.com/air-transpo...second-quarter
https://aviationweek.com/air-transpo...second-quarter
05-02-2023 | 07:18 PM
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A strike is only leverage if it is actually able to happen. A major airline will never be allowed to strike, company knows that, union knows that and passengers know it. A Democratic administration just blocked a rail strike, who’s members were fighting for 3 more sick days.
A mediated contract, agreed to by United’s most direct competitor and approved by 75% of membership sealed United’s outcome through mediation or not. Delta 7.2 billion set the floor, and defined the rough area of total contract cost. United and American now need to how figure out how best they wish to get to 7.5 or 7.8 billion for them. I’m not saying it’s right, it’s not. Unions should never agree to anything less then that no matter how long it takes.
The RLA gives all the leverage to the companies. Every day past the amendable date the membership is giving up money and time that even with 100% retro they will never get back. Airline membership mentality also continues to keep what little leverage they may have with the company. The game is rigged for the companies and stacked against transportation unions. I hate this fact, it sucks.
I do think the company has some structural things that without a deal will really hamper them and their stock price over time. I don’t think dragging this out is in their best interest in the larger picture. Yet, they have witnessed real weakness and disfunction in our union, and are going to make us earn whatever agreement we get.
I choose to remain optimistic, and think a deal is sooner rather than later. Could I be wrong, absolutely. Optimism is never without setbacks, it is the belief in a positive outcome over time even with these obstacles along the way.
A mediated contract, agreed to by United’s most direct competitor and approved by 75% of membership sealed United’s outcome through mediation or not. Delta 7.2 billion set the floor, and defined the rough area of total contract cost. United and American now need to how figure out how best they wish to get to 7.5 or 7.8 billion for them. I’m not saying it’s right, it’s not. Unions should never agree to anything less then that no matter how long it takes.
The RLA gives all the leverage to the companies. Every day past the amendable date the membership is giving up money and time that even with 100% retro they will never get back. Airline membership mentality also continues to keep what little leverage they may have with the company. The game is rigged for the companies and stacked against transportation unions. I hate this fact, it sucks.
I do think the company has some structural things that without a deal will really hamper them and their stock price over time. I don’t think dragging this out is in their best interest in the larger picture. Yet, they have witnessed real weakness and disfunction in our union, and are going to make us earn whatever agreement we get.
I choose to remain optimistic, and think a deal is sooner rather than later. Could I be wrong, absolutely. Optimism is never without setbacks, it is the belief in a positive outcome over time even with these obstacles along the way.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/amer...210800790.html
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/b...Transportation.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/bus...274933171.html
05-03-2023 | 03:57 AM
#28
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We will continue to self fund our next contract due to the RLA affording the company's ability to delay. There will be no contract until it's financially beneficial for the company to sign or the NMB threatens to release us. I'd put my money on when it's beneficial for the company which is a wide ranging marker.
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05-03-2023 | 07:59 AM
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Delta got a contract so quick because their CEO opened his mouth and openly said they will not be released to strike and the mediator took exception to this statement. Had Delta not brought their best offer to the table they would have been released.
05-03-2023 | 08:31 AM
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Also, as far as UAL goes, as long as some progress is being made at the bargaining table, no matter how small, the mediation board really won't consider a request. There has to be no progress being made for the mediation board to take the requests seriously. This is not pie in the sky wishful thinking for filing for mediation. The game is rigged against labor and this is how it is played. It really is all up to Kirby. We are years away from a strike--more likely only a 30-day cooling off period, probably 6 months minimum away from requests for mediation--then a year or more in mediation. If the wheels fall off during this summer and Kirby wants a solution, he knows what he must do. He thinks UAL is positioned fairly well for the summer flying, I don't think so much. Just do your jobs and everything will happen as it may.
in the mean time, we have to keep doing what we are doing and not resort to individual job actions or rhetoric. That will be used against the union in an injunction.
This sucks. But it is what it is. In the words of the Disney movie Robinsons, "we have to keep moving forward," but do so cautiously.
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