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CQKSNT 05-01-2023 11:18 AM

4 Items in 5 Weeks | Company is Stalling
 
We’ve agreed to 4 new items since April 24th. There are over 80 items still open, and most of those are the difficult ones. Reality is a B!***. The company is slow rolling.

JackReacher 05-01-2023 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by CQKSNT (Post 3631264)
We’ve agreed to 4 new items since April 24th. There are over 80 items still open, and most of those are the difficult ones. Reality is a B!***. The company is slow rolling.

Need a big turnout on the 12th!!

GPullR 05-01-2023 12:04 PM

Need to face reality that without NMB we are never gonna get there. Kirby doesn't care.

Hedley 05-01-2023 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by CQKSNT (Post 3631264)
We’ve agreed to 4 new items since April 24th. There are over 80 items still open, and most of those are the difficult ones. Reality is a B!***. The company is slow rolling.

The reality is that we’re not going to, nor were we ever, going get all of the open items. There are obviously too many open items to get close to a TA, but both sides will end up giving a little in the end. Don’t know that Mediation will really accelerate things at this point since both sides are frequently meeting and slow progress is being made. For right now, being junior (not just reserve, but junior line holders also) at United with our current book discourages people from filling vacancies. That won’t change until the book changes. The company can either address that problem or delay aircraft deliveries and slow the planned United Next expansion. This MEC is focused on the right deal, not a quick “temporary fix”. It’s refreshing to see.

GPullR 05-01-2023 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3631363)
The reality is that we’re not going to, nor were we ever, going get all of the open items. There are obviously too many open items to get close to a TA, but both sides will end up giving a little in the end. Don’t know that Mediation will really accelerate things at this point since both sides are frequently meeting and slow progress is being made. For right now, being junior (not just reserve, but junior line holders also) at United with our current book discourages people from filling vacancies. That won’t change until the book changes. The company can either address that problem or delay aircraft deliveries and slow the planned United Next expansion. This MEC is focused on the right deal, not a quick “temporary fix”. It’s refreshing to see.

You are completely wrong. Kirby is giving crumbs to get us through summer, then it will come to a screeching halt. If we ever get to mediation they will compare us to our peers and see in most aspects they are way better off. We may have to to give ine a few areas but the overall package will be far superior.

Hedley 05-01-2023 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3631386)
You are completely wrong. Kirby is giving crumbs to get us through summer, then it will come to a screeching halt. If we ever get to mediation they will compare us to our peers and see in most aspects they are way better off. We may have to to give ine a few areas but the overall package will be far superior.

I don’t deny that at all, nor do I claim to know the actual cost of what we’re asking. Measuring what we’re asking against our peers will be viewed as total cost, not cherry picking the good from each regardless of cost. With or without mediation we’ll most likely get the package cost of Delta plus a little. People who think that it will be Delta minus or Delta plus 20% are smoking crack though. Anyway, Delta plus a little will be a big improvement depending on how the cost are spread throughout the contract. I definitely don’t see a TA before the summer is over, but with hundreds of new planes scheduled for delivery over a fairly short time frame, the company can either sign a contract that encourages people to bid upcoming vacancies, or keep what we have and postpone the expansion. I was hoping for different, but we’re playing a long game here.

oldmako 05-01-2023 04:14 PM

Good thing you guys got that extension!https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OpHxw7cz8...pry%2B1979.jpg


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AntiPeter 05-01-2023 04:32 PM

Our peers are great at making excuses. Mediation won't work. Unofficial self help won't work. We can risk anything, there will be litigation.

No wonder we don't have a CBA. We love our open time, willing to help out the company to keep things smooth.

I hope Kirby is proud.

FlySaint 05-01-2023 05:27 PM

When AA gets a deal, and that may be soon, and assuming they get a Delta + deal, our leverage in mediation will be extreme.

JurgenKlopp 05-01-2023 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 3631338)
Since my summer planning deadline is today, I will not be helping on any level at anytime to help the company out one bit. I'll be grabbing popcorn and they can kiss my status quo.

Honest question are you a flamer or just have your head up your @rse!!!! Thanks for the lawsuit evidence genius…


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