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Captain Upgrade with New TA: Yes or No
08-18-2023, 11:41 AM
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Captain Upgrade with New TA: Yes or No
Vacancy 23-12V award was published three days ago and there's still 133 unfilled narrowbody Captain positions.
I'm shocked, but simultaneously not surprised.
Yes, we have an AIP and awaiting the all-important final contractual language. Of course the membership needs to ratify the final contract.
That said, it seems this latest vacancy is a harbinger of the pilot group's sentiment about the pending contract. Total compensation comparable to Delta, there's improvements in work rules for lineholders and reservists, and yet it seems like the progress on the new contract isn't moving the needle in any significant manner (as of yet) to properly staff the net additional metal for United Next. Certainly it ultimately is management's problem, but I'm surprised there are still plenty of First Officers bypassing upgrade even with a new contract imminent.
I'm shocked, but simultaneously not surprised.
Yes, we have an AIP and awaiting the all-important final contractual language. Of course the membership needs to ratify the final contract.
That said, it seems this latest vacancy is a harbinger of the pilot group's sentiment about the pending contract. Total compensation comparable to Delta, there's improvements in work rules for lineholders and reservists, and yet it seems like the progress on the new contract isn't moving the needle in any significant manner (as of yet) to properly staff the net additional metal for United Next. Certainly it ultimately is management's problem, but I'm surprised there are still plenty of First Officers bypassing upgrade even with a new contract imminent.
08-18-2023, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilot4000
I want to see how the contract actually plays out. Like, how many long call reserve slots will there be, and how senior will they go?
08-18-2023, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Voski
Vacancy 23-12V award was published three days ago and there's still 133 unfilled narrowbody Captain positions.
I'm shocked, but simultaneously not surprised.
Yes, we have an AIP and awaiting the all-important final contractual language. Of course the membership needs to ratify the final contract.
That said, it seems this latest vacancy is a harbinger of the pilot group's sentiment about the pending contract. Total compensation comparable to Delta, there's improvements in work rules for lineholders and reservists, and yet it seems like the progress on the new contract isn't moving the needle in any significant manner (as of yet) to properly staff the net additional metal for United Next. Certainly it ultimately is management's problem, but I'm surprised there are still plenty of First Officers bypassing upgrade even with a new contract imminent.
I'm shocked, but simultaneously not surprised.
Yes, we have an AIP and awaiting the all-important final contractual language. Of course the membership needs to ratify the final contract.
That said, it seems this latest vacancy is a harbinger of the pilot group's sentiment about the pending contract. Total compensation comparable to Delta, there's improvements in work rules for lineholders and reservists, and yet it seems like the progress on the new contract isn't moving the needle in any significant manner (as of yet) to properly staff the net additional metal for United Next. Certainly it ultimately is management's problem, but I'm surprised there are still plenty of First Officers bypassing upgrade even with a new contract imminent.
08-18-2023, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Voski
Vacancy 23-12V award was published three days ago and there's still 133 unfilled narrowbody Captain positions.
I'm shocked, but simultaneously not surprised.
Yes, we have an AIP and awaiting the all-important final contractual language. Of course the membership needs to ratify the final contract.
That said, it seems this latest vacancy is a harbinger of the pilot group's sentiment about the pending contract. Total compensation comparable to Delta, there's improvements in work rules for lineholders and reservists, and yet it seems like the progress on the new contract isn't moving the needle in any significant manner (as of yet) to properly staff the net additional metal for United Next. Certainly it ultimately is management's problem, but I'm surprised there are still plenty of First Officers bypassing upgrade even with a new contract imminent.
I'm shocked, but simultaneously not surprised.
Yes, we have an AIP and awaiting the all-important final contractual language. Of course the membership needs to ratify the final contract.
That said, it seems this latest vacancy is a harbinger of the pilot group's sentiment about the pending contract. Total compensation comparable to Delta, there's improvements in work rules for lineholders and reservists, and yet it seems like the progress on the new contract isn't moving the needle in any significant manner (as of yet) to properly staff the net additional metal for United Next. Certainly it ultimately is management's problem, but I'm surprised there are still plenty of First Officers bypassing upgrade even with a new contract imminent.
08-18-2023, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
Based on the AIP, the union didn’t do enough to improve reserve. Only 12 days off during the summer months is missing the mark. Additionally, the callout time wasn’t extended beyond its current time. ALPA and United need to collectively learn that there’s a new generation taking over abs time at home quality of life matter a lot more than money. Do better and the upgrades will disappear every vacancy.
08-18-2023, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GEARPINSOUT
The most important thing to me is weekends off. At the moment, from what the captains I fly with tell me, you need 25+ years seniority to get that.
I think I’m just going to stay FO and spend time with my kids.
I think I’m just going to stay FO and spend time with my kids.
08-18-2023, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
I still don’t get this reserve thing. Most people not bidding NB CA wouldn’t be on reserve. You’d have to do a lot more to make it enticing for lineholders.
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