Sunvox

I don't think anyone would argue that our PBS system couldn't stand for significant improvement, but as is the norm for this forum and the internet in general your reply is actually slightly misplaced. The issue is whether or not people are reading the TA and posting facts correctly not whether PBS could stand for further improvement. The amount of mistaken assumptions among no voters posted on this thread is telling of how people with a bias will let said bias impact their interpretation of an issue.

bouncedlolsweg

fun police over here… it’s a TA poll, people are gonna make comments about the TA or obvious things that it is lacking. Loosen up.

Otterbox

Usually heard those rants from people who announce they were going to vote yes after the details of the Delta TA came out 😂

Sniper66

Easiest yes vote and it’s the first yes in this business for me
Over the last 7 contracts I participated
BTW I was not here for contract 2000

JoePatroni

Its the same people who think they are the only one in the marching band doing it right.

hummingbear

Call it what you want. You’re basically telling me I should anticipate the outcome of the vote & keep quiet if I’m in the minority. Not how democratic systems work. Discourse & dissent are important. We all get to speak, then we vote, then we move forward. Don’t get ahead of yourself.

stylie310

My guess...73% is the floor, 82% is the ceiling

Spartacusbob

Sorry for the late response. I don’t believe that you need to trade out items for some things. For instance, for a person stuck out an out base I can totally see rolling them into another day to fix issues (there is a logic to the necessity), but, in base this is dumb, there is no logic. Getting rolled into a day off, when there are RSV’s for that reason, in a hub is bad business. So my initial argument would be zero ability to roll you into a day off, with the willingness to compromise to an out base only possibility.

Creating a hard calculus for setting the gline, even if it is base dependent, is appropriate and something we should’ve argued for, again, without having to trade away something. We are directly paying for scheduling’s inability to forecast high use days, increased sick calls, and any other issues that arise—they have the data (tons of historical data), a scheduling unit lives on historical data. Not doing this is lazy, bad management, and, in no way requires a ‘trade-off’ by us because the onus has always lay with scheduling.

There’s other stuff in the TA that rubs me wrong but these were the two things that I wasn’t willing to give in on. Things I believe, didn’t require a trade-off for something else because they should never have existed in the first place, the pilot group should never have allowed to occur.

That’s my answer, it’s mine, you don’t have to agree or disagree, it’s up to you. I’m a no on this TA. Again, if I’m wrong about my reading of the TA and they can’t roll you into days off without your agreement or they have it written somewhere how they will calculate RSV’s and the gline, then please educate me. I’d be more than happy to learn.

DarkSideMoon

You can already get rolled into days off under current book…

Am I missing some change that makes it easier for them to reassign into days off?

Sunvox

This is a perfect example of the problem with certain issues.

United has the best rules in the business as regards reassignments as has been shown at length in prior discussions. Unfortunately the discussions have not been here, and I don't want to take the hour or more to go back and pull out the relevant quotes. Every airline has to cover short term problems somehow. At Delta for instance people at United who's spouses work at Delta have said that NB captains at Delta more often than not do NOT fly their actual trip but are reassigned. United has accepted certain tradeoffs with regards to allowing junior reserves to have days off rolled, but in general United uses reassignments less often than AA or DAL. Same holds true for regionals. People will point to rules at regionals that don't allow rolling of days off, but forget how easy it was for a line holder to have their trip changed. Rolling days off is a choice in our system that protects more senior line holders. It is not as simple as saying United lets days be rolled and other companies don't.

Bottom line: Other companies don't have it better as regards reassignments.

Most pilots at United fly what they bid and rarely get flown into days off. Other airlines are reassigned way more often than United pilots, but almost never get flown into days off . . . however, they don't have rules forbidding being flown into days off, the schedulers simply don't need to since they can so freely reassign a line holder, and most important for this discussion the new TA puts further limits on reassignments and increases pay in some instances so it improves things.

This is a highly complex issue, and if it is really your primary concern I urge you to call a specialist and get educated on the topic before coming to a final decision.