Hard no.

Forced upgrade for many reasons is not okay.
My 2 hills were rolled into days off-even if in a base (which is crazy since RSV is at 50%). The other was locking in an approved calculus for a gline.

It’ll pass because $$$.

Nobody said it was, but if a Delta (or any other major) baby captain puts one in the dirt, it will be a huge setback for all of us. I don’t see any of you hippocrates out there making a stink with those other airlines’ “risk taking” (including ALPA carriers). The reason you aren’t into it is because you perceive it as somehow reducing some of our theoretical leverage 4 years down the road when our next contract is due… mmm k, just say that then.

They don't/can't include left seat slots in new hire drops at DAL. At a minimum, I think we can agree that everyone at DAL who bid for the left seat at least wanted it at the time they bid it.
And I agree the poster that you replied to in that allowing the company to include these spots in a new hire drop at United does diminish the company's need to make the position attractive enough, contractually, to improve the terms in the future.

We negotiate with the next vote in mind, only and almost always. The company negotiates two and three contracts down the road. Concerning 8-F-12, we were certainly outmaneuvered.

Red herring. Delta mgmt has no desire to upgrade new hires.

We have worked our way into the worst sick leave program in the country. Anyone having a good month that gets sick will have to make a decision; let's see, call in sick and lose $10K off my monthly paycheck or show up sick as a dog. Hmmmm, wonder what people will do. What an absolute joke to put in a pay cap if you have a sick call in that month. The rest of what we have in front of us that everyone is so excited about is industry standard at best. We will be stuck with this crap for the next 10 years. I love the attitude of the no-voters just want to tell people they voted no. Ummmm, no, actually we know what it means to have leverage and understand what our worth is.

Sick leave is dealbreaker for me, I'm so tired of bringing all kinds of my flying partners "allergies" back home to my family and unfortunately all changes only reinforcing fly sick company policy which includes minimal sick time accrual, company radar with number of sick calls and now the 95h add-on.

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Not grandstanding, It’s my strong opinion. You have your opinion (which you’re entitled to have) appears to settle for less or mediocrity. That’s your choice and fine but I disagree.

You’re thinking of the slogan for “MegaForce”….not “Rocky III”

hmm… “dealbreaker”? What deal are you hoping for? The TA as written is what’s on the table… no modifications in the works… you either vote Yes or No. are you a solid No because the SL isn’t like Delta? What are you going to do about it when this passes? Even if this fails, which is highly unlikely, you honestly think company is going to say “let’s give them the DL sick leave and they’ll all vote yes!” ???