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Old 09-08-2023 | 06:53 AM
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The company can currently force an entire class into Guam. Nifty place to visit but that would be a dealbreaker for many new hires. Unfilled NB CA slot, after 350/100 is the firstest of first world problems.
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Old 09-08-2023 | 07:00 AM
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If a new hire is forced into a capt slot that they dont want, all they have to do is a "fail" a training event. Whatever the written test is called, procedures validation, etc. One failure will send him or her back to the right seat.
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Old 09-08-2023 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by GolferNJ
18 MEC members and I would guess 90% of the pilot group don't see this as a concession.

I agree
it’s a pass
water under the bridge
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Old 09-08-2023 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by worstpilotever
If a new hire is forced into a capt slot that they dont want, all they have to do is a "fail" a training event. Whatever the written test is called, procedures validation, etc. One failure will send him or her back to the right seat.

there will be plenty of volunteers don’t listen to them
and It will attract many from other airlines to come over
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Old 09-08-2023 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by worstpilotever
If a new hire is forced into a capt slot that they dont want, all they have to do is a "fail" a training event. Whatever the written test is called, procedures validation, etc. One failure will send him or her back to the right seat.
don’t even have to fail, can pass and still get short cycled which would make one ineligible.
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Old 09-08-2023 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GolferNJ
18 MEC members and I would guess 90% of the pilot group don't see this as a concession.
^^^ this ^^^
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Old 09-08-2023 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Block
It’s a concession. Right now, everyone can decide when to bid CA. Why would we let the company assign it to someone that doesn’t choose it?

Are people so scared that others will vote no, that you have to pretend this isn’t a concession? Those saying it takes a number of steps first, or that it won’t be implemented til later, or volunteers will reduce the number of forced upgrades, are ignoring the fact that it’s a concession. TUMI pitch men were telling us “we don’t think the company will do that” or “…very often” with the concessions in that POS. Let’s not do that.
Can everybody choose when to bid 777FO? EWR737FO? You get the point I hope.

This is not a concession. Every interviewee will be asked if they're willing to accept a Captain assignment under the UPA terms. I hope they're truthful when they answer.
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Old 09-08-2023 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher
don’t even have to fail, can pass and still get short cycled which would make one ineligible.
That’s threading a needle you don’t want to thread imo.
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Old 09-08-2023 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
That’s threading a needle you don’t want to thread imo.
No kidding. Suck it up. Put on you big boy pants and deal with it. When your seat lock is up, bid off.
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Old 09-08-2023 | 06:23 PM
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If the “forced upgrade” existed on the last contact we would not have LAS, MCO and IAH (maybe DEN/ORD) would be half the size today. For many that would be a concession.
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