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Old 09-10-2023 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
Largest in the U.S., not the world. And Atlanta pushes more people through than Denver.
I meant physically the largest. They have all sorts of room and they bottleneck planes everywhere even on good days.
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Old 09-10-2023 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
This is correct. You may argue it is not a significant concession, or that it is a concession worth making, but to claim it just isn’t a concession at all is ridiculous.
I’d argue that it is a concession, along with the 20 or so other concessions. Compared to 280 gets. (NC words, not mine). It’s a beauty, eh. That’s why it passes easily. Good value.
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Old 09-10-2023 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by guppie
I’d argue that it is a concession, along with the 20 or so other concessions. Compared to 280 gets. (NC words, not mine). It’s a beauty, eh. That’s why it passes easily. Good value.
More gets by volume. But it’s value that matters. 100 little wins still loses to 10 huge losses. That’s a personal judgement thing- everyone has to balance their own equation.
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Old 09-10-2023 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
More gets by volume. But it’s value that matters. 100 little wins still loses to 10 huge losses. That’s a personal judgement thing- everyone has to balance their own equation.
If only we knew how you see it 🙄
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Old 09-11-2023 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
Bingo. I don’t know why people believe that because there’s not enough room for the planes to stay overnight in the hubs they necessarily need to have outstation pilot bases. There’s this thing called hotels. MCO & LAS were about appealing to pilots, not parking airplanes.
A few days ago I had an overnight to Jackson Hole. In the morning there were 7 UAL mainline and 1 United express airplane on the ramp, I was pretty surprised to see that at such a small airport.
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Old 09-11-2023 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LJ Driver
A few days ago I had an overnight to Jackson Hole. In the morning there were 7 UAL mainline and 1 United express airplane on the ramp, I was pretty surprised to see that at such a small airport.
Lots of vacationers.
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Old 09-11-2023 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LJ Driver
A few days ago I had an overnight to Jackson Hole. In the morning there were 7 UAL mainline and 1 United express airplane on the ramp, I was pretty surprised to see that at such a small airport.
Jackson Hole base next?
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Old 09-11-2023 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TFAYD
it’s expensive to close a base. I assume LAS and MCO will stay open.

finding a parking spot for a plane and pilot bases are two entirely different things.

do you really think that IAH, ORD, CLE and probably even DEN are “optimum” size?

I would not be surprised if those bases see years of stagnation / shrinking in the future.
Geez. You read the post I quoted. Did I really need to put a /s at the end of my post?
Apparently so, since others have piggybacked on your comment.

Let me requote the post I responded to:
Originally Posted by mrmak2
If the “forced upgrade” existed on the last contact we would not have LAS, MCO and IAH (maybe DEN/ORD) would be half the size today. For many that would be a concession.
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Old 09-11-2023 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by khergan;[url=tel:3694286
3694286[/url]]After seeing the TA, what do you think the MEC will say in defense of the forced upgrade issue?

Do you think there's a unique benefit in the TA that offsets the concession?
Short term anomaly.
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Old 09-11-2023 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by khergan
After seeing the TA, what do you think the MEC will say in defense of the forced upgrade issue?

Do you think there's a unique benefit in the TA that offsets the concession?

a. Reassignment and Overtime Pay
b. Elimination of mandatory FSB LOA 23-01 550
c. Implementation of all forms of reserve lines (VEC, Long-Call Only, SC line, Compressed, et. al.)
d. SC Matrix/SC Cap
e. Rolled Day Off protections
f. Reserve MPG/Days-Off
g. Holiday Pay
h. Unused short calls, late-build short calls
i. FDO Restrictions
j. PBS Timeline and G-line
k. Trip construction and rigs
l. Assignment ladder
m. Reserve to Lineholder
n. Ability to preference minimum time between vacation awards.
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