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guppie 09-08-2023 12:06 PM

Voted yes already. Big time retro…. Been padding it for the last 2 years!! Maybe your regional will take you back?

It passed the MEC 78%. Expect the membership to do the same.

guppie 09-08-2023 12:09 PM

In my best Cleveland voice….

it’s gonna paaass like bad gaaaas.

Carter1 09-08-2023 12:40 PM

Just voted yes, easy yes vote.

Watched all the fact team videos, have thoroughly read the red line and black ta for the past week. This contract is a huge step forward.

Anyone who thinks voting no will have their items fixed without giving up some of what’s been agreed to is a fool. The contract is a 10B value, if you vote no, you will be getting another revision at 10B at best. Then y’all will vote no for giving up some items in this one.

Let’s simplify negotiations. You give and take, and hope that your gives are less than the takes. You will never ever get 100% of what you want, ever. This contract is an excellent agreement.

AbjectFutility 09-08-2023 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Ice Bear (Post 3694435)
That's such a bummer of a mindset in the best negotiating environment many of us will ever see. Get 'em next time doesn't make any sense right now. It's now or never. So, I guess never. 😔

I hope some of you geniuses step up and take positions on thr negotiating committee. Maybe when you're confronted by reality you'll grow up and ****. I guess maybe you could have some formula to extract all gains from a negotiation? If so, you should go to thr DoS and save the world and not waste your talents on the vagaries of pilot contracts.

ugleeual 09-08-2023 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by AbjectFutility (Post 3694562)
I hope some of you geniuses step up and take positions on thr negotiating committee. Maybe when you're confronted by reality you'll grow up and ****. I guess maybe you could have some formula to extract all gains from a negotiation? If so, you should go to thr DoS and save the world and not waste your talents on the vagaries of pilot contracts.

^^^ this^^^ negotiations is about “now, maybe later, or possibly never”… it’s never “now or never”. We have a group on here that don’t understand what negotiations is all about… it’s not about giving a list of “demands” and getting everything you want… we give a list, they give a list… and then something in-between is agreed upon.

Ace66 09-08-2023 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by AbjectFutility (Post 3694562)
I hope some of you geniuses step up and take positions on thr negotiating committee. Maybe when you're confronted by reality you'll grow up and ****. I guess maybe you could have some formula to extract all gains from a negotiation? If so, you should go to thr DoS and save the world and not waste your talents on the vagaries of pilot contracts.

I guess I’m an “idiot” cause I’m a NO vote. The forced upgrade is too big of a lever to give to the company. Take that out and I’ll vote yes despite it being less than Delta’s contract. I suggest you look at our new airplane delivery schedule and the number of captains and do some math.

Anyone voting for this solely for the retro is incredibly short sighted.

drywhitetoast 09-08-2023 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Ace66 (Post 3694569)
I guess I’m an “idiot” cause I’m a NO vote. The forced upgrade is too big of a lever to give to the company. Take that out and I’ll vote yes despite it being less than Delta’s contract. I suggest you look at our new airplane delivery schedule and the number of captains and do some math.

Anyone voting for this solely for the retro is incredibly short sighted.

And all those wonderful deliveries will come to a halt if the company doesn't have Captains.

ugleeual 09-08-2023 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by Ace66 (Post 3694569)
I guess I’m an “idiot” cause I’m a NO vote. The forced upgrade is too big of a lever to give to the company. Take that out and I’ll vote yes despite it being less than Delta’s contract. I suggest you look at our new airplane delivery schedule and the number of captains and do some math.

Anyone voting for this solely for the retro is incredibly short sighted.

id agree on first sentence… disagree on everything after. 🫣

yesto67 09-08-2023 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by Ace66 (Post 3694569)
I guess I’m an “idiot” cause I’m a NO vote. The forced upgrade is too big of a lever to give to the company. Take that out and I’ll vote yes despite it being less than Delta’s contract. I suggest you look at our new airplane delivery schedule and the number of captains and do some math.

Anyone voting for this solely for the retro is incredibly short sighted.

If only some of our 10-25+ year WB and NB FOs would step up and do the PROFESSIONAL pilot thing and become a CAPTAIN, which is what United hired them to become (major airlines hire CAs, not pilots), then the “forced” upgrades would never be an issue.

JFS 3 09-08-2023 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by OFFCOURSE (Post 3694379)
Folks,please think before you vote on this sub par TA. First,in many areas,its only slightly better than what we had at my last regional .There will not be another contract completed in 3 years.Do you really want to work under these rules for the next 7-10 years??Dont come online complaining in a few months when they start enforcing the same rules you voted for. Lets send it back and truly get some thing thats industry leading? We will NEVER have as much leverage as we have now. NEVER.This is our opportunity to get it right.Im eligible to vote and myself and the guys in my new hire class are all 99% NO.

Your post history indicates that you aren't eligible to vote. Your indoc date was more than 365 days ago? You fessed up to being at TK as a newhire back in November, so...


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