Bird in the hand? (another UA/DAL thread)
09-10-2023, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Brickfire
You’re overthinking it. If you are offered a job at Delta you take it.
There’s no 3D chess to staying at Frontier.
There’s no 3D chess to staying at Frontier.
https://youtu.be/hEnxVwppE9M?si=UUbfcScdxjwmXNfI
09-10-2023, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Sure there is. Go to the end, being at F9 is the white pieces;
https://youtu.be/hEnxVwppE9M?si=UUbfcScdxjwmXNfI
https://youtu.be/hEnxVwppE9M?si=UUbfcScdxjwmXNfI
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09-12-2023, 05:02 AM
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It really is a no brainer. Take the interview at DAL if you get the job it’s a massive upgrade from F9. If you get the call from UAL you’re in a much better position to then make that decision.
09-15-2023, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AbjectFutility
Just following the lead of the chicken little, hyperbolic, uber negative, handwringing, naysayers that permeate the pilot forums these days.
09-19-2023, 07:32 AM
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Yes, living in Denver, UAL. If Delta offers you a job, take it. As mentioned, if long term desire is to live in Denver, and later you were to get a UAL job offer, jump ship.
Nothing is a given, could end up with COVID 4.0, a war of sorts, whatever. Also, even good applicants can get turned down. All it takes is a nuance of sorts & there will be no job offer.
I remember one guy mentoring someone still training towards a private or instrument rating. He seemed to have it mapped out to a UAL seat, somewhat ahead of events I thought.
Nothing is a given, could end up with COVID 4.0, a war of sorts, whatever. Also, even good applicants can get turned down. All it takes is a nuance of sorts & there will be no job offer.
I remember one guy mentoring someone still training towards a private or instrument rating. He seemed to have it mapped out to a UAL seat, somewhat ahead of events I thought.
09-19-2023, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sourdough44
Yes, living in Denver, UAL. If Delta offers you a job, take it. As mentioned, if long term desire is to live in Denver, and later you were to get a UAL job offer, jump ship.
Nothing is a given, could end up with COVID 4.0, a war of sorts, whatever. Also, even good applicants can get turned down. All it takes is a nuance of sorts & there will be no job offer.
I remember one guy mentoring someone still training towards a private or instrument rating. He seemed to have it mapped out to a UAL seat, somewhat ahead of events I thought.
Nothing is a given, could end up with COVID 4.0, a war of sorts, whatever. Also, even good applicants can get turned down. All it takes is a nuance of sorts & there will be no job offer.
I remember one guy mentoring someone still training towards a private or instrument rating. He seemed to have it mapped out to a UAL seat, somewhat ahead of events I thought.
I’d love to hear where that primary student ends up…. When I first started it was Delta or bust. We don’t know what we don’t know.
09-19-2023, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ShoutVFR
Hey everyone! I'm in a pretty good spot right now and was looking for a little bit of help...
I'm 23 and just past 1500TT (~750 turbine ~220TPIC in a PC12) and am an FO for Frontier. I live in Denver and intend to stay in the Denver metro area long term. Could maybe do NorCal/Eastern Cal in the mtns but otherwise I'm pretty firmly planted here. I went to OBAP last August and am planning on LPA next week and RTAG next month. There's no doubt in my mind UA is the best place for me long term. As far as I'm aware United is the best place to head right now to catch what's left of the retirement wave, and with my roots in Denver having the TC here will be nice when it comes time for recurrent + if I ever decide to become a sim instructor. That all said, due to my OBAP attendance I have an interview date with Delta in the coming weeks. Assuming I don't fumble it... WWYD?
I'm finally living in a domicile where I'm happy, no longer abused by a 135 and I'm getting paid well + driving to work for F9. At DAL I'll be a permanent commuter, I'll gain (less than UA/AA) seniority for about 5-10 years before largely stagnating until I'm at least 50, and I'll likely never see WBFO or even NBCA (without commuting to NYC) until I'm in my 40s at the earliest. I recognize there are plenty of people who are age 35+ before they get the call and are permanent commuters and have happy, long careers with Delta, but if United is ultimately my goal could taking the (potential) Delta offer and starting class with them hurt my chances of hopping over to UA? While I'm glad Delta is okay with my lower logbook times, if UA isn't I worry that I could potentially shoot myself in the foot going to new hire class in ATL and not building flight time for 2-3mo that would otherwise qualify me for a United interview. On the other hand, who turns down a (potential) job offer with a legacy carrier? I could always turn it down, not get my UA interview and get "stuck" at F9. Not the end of the world, but I'd much rather commute to SLC for DAL than fly DEN-TPA redeyes at F9 the rest of my career.
Thoughts?
Questions?
Insults?
Thanks, y'all
I'm 23 and just past 1500TT (~750 turbine ~220TPIC in a PC12) and am an FO for Frontier. I live in Denver and intend to stay in the Denver metro area long term. Could maybe do NorCal/Eastern Cal in the mtns but otherwise I'm pretty firmly planted here. I went to OBAP last August and am planning on LPA next week and RTAG next month. There's no doubt in my mind UA is the best place for me long term. As far as I'm aware United is the best place to head right now to catch what's left of the retirement wave, and with my roots in Denver having the TC here will be nice when it comes time for recurrent + if I ever decide to become a sim instructor. That all said, due to my OBAP attendance I have an interview date with Delta in the coming weeks. Assuming I don't fumble it... WWYD?
I'm finally living in a domicile where I'm happy, no longer abused by a 135 and I'm getting paid well + driving to work for F9. At DAL I'll be a permanent commuter, I'll gain (less than UA/AA) seniority for about 5-10 years before largely stagnating until I'm at least 50, and I'll likely never see WBFO or even NBCA (without commuting to NYC) until I'm in my 40s at the earliest. I recognize there are plenty of people who are age 35+ before they get the call and are permanent commuters and have happy, long careers with Delta, but if United is ultimately my goal could taking the (potential) Delta offer and starting class with them hurt my chances of hopping over to UA? While I'm glad Delta is okay with my lower logbook times, if UA isn't I worry that I could potentially shoot myself in the foot going to new hire class in ATL and not building flight time for 2-3mo that would otherwise qualify me for a United interview. On the other hand, who turns down a (potential) job offer with a legacy carrier? I could always turn it down, not get my UA interview and get "stuck" at F9. Not the end of the world, but I'd much rather commute to SLC for DAL than fly DEN-TPA redeyes at F9 the rest of my career.
Thoughts?
Questions?
Insults?
Thanks, y'all
If you’ve met United at OBAP and they haven’t called, updating your application with Delta should make you more enticing. 23 and 1500TT is your restriction on your ATP removed yet? That could be the issue.
09-19-2023, 11:12 AM
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In a similar situation and looking into it as much information as possible. Currently have CJO at both (and SW). For some background, I’m separating from the military and am lining up a guard job in Nashville where all of mine and my wife’s family is from. I’ve started a pro/cons list but would love to add more into what im missing as I’m new into this. Like everyone I’m sure, I’d like to get to a point of flying min trips a month and almost 2 legs a day. Thanks!
UA
Pros: Widebody options quickly, good seniority progression,
Cons: Commuting (5 mainline flights/day max to most bases)
Retirements: 6,500 (10 years) 10,000 (20 years)
DL
Pros: Widebody options (eventually) 1 hr flight to ATL with 10 mainline flights/day, can drive in a pinch (4 hrs)
Cons: Missed hiring wave, lower seniority progression, Commuting but driveable.
Retirements: 5,200 (10 years) 7,300 (20 years)
SW
Pros: No Commute, Can drop schedule.
Cons: 737 and 2-3 legs/day for the next 30 years, no option for widebody, stovepipe upgrade to CA
UA
Pros: Widebody options quickly, good seniority progression,
Cons: Commuting (5 mainline flights/day max to most bases)
Retirements: 6,500 (10 years) 10,000 (20 years)
DL
Pros: Widebody options (eventually) 1 hr flight to ATL with 10 mainline flights/day, can drive in a pinch (4 hrs)
Cons: Missed hiring wave, lower seniority progression, Commuting but driveable.
Retirements: 5,200 (10 years) 7,300 (20 years)
SW
Pros: No Commute, Can drop schedule.
Cons: 737 and 2-3 legs/day for the next 30 years, no option for widebody, stovepipe upgrade to CA
09-19-2023, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 30WestEst
In a similar situation and looking into it as much information as possible. Currently have CJO at both (and SW). For some background, I’m separating from the military and am lining up a guard job in Nashville where all of mine and my wife’s family is from. I’ve started a pro/cons list but would love to add more into what im missing as I’m new into this. Like everyone I’m sure, I’d like to get to a point of flying min trips a month and almost 2 legs a day. Thanks!
UA
Pros: Widebody options quickly, good seniority progression,
Cons: Commuting (5 mainline flights/day max to most bases)
Retirements: 6,500 (10 years) 10,000 (20 years)
DL
Pros: Widebody options (eventually) 1 hr flight to ATL with 10 mainline flights/day, can drive in a pinch (4 hrs)
Cons: Missed hiring wave, lower seniority progression, Commuting but driveable.
Retirements: 5,200 (10 years) 7,300 (20 years)
SW
Pros: No Commute, Can drop schedule.
Cons: 737 and 2-3 legs/day for the next 30 years, no option for widebody, stovepipe upgrade to CA
UA
Pros: Widebody options quickly, good seniority progression,
Cons: Commuting (5 mainline flights/day max to most bases)
Retirements: 6,500 (10 years) 10,000 (20 years)
DL
Pros: Widebody options (eventually) 1 hr flight to ATL with 10 mainline flights/day, can drive in a pinch (4 hrs)
Cons: Missed hiring wave, lower seniority progression, Commuting but driveable.
Retirements: 5,200 (10 years) 7,300 (20 years)
SW
Pros: No Commute, Can drop schedule.
Cons: 737 and 2-3 legs/day for the next 30 years, no option for widebody, stovepipe upgrade to CA
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