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Old 09-12-2023, 06:46 PM
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I understand know one knows the future but what are your thoughts if age 67 passes. How would it look for your particular airline? Can you fly internationally as Capt pass 65? does that mean those older than 65 will not fly international and move to NB capt? Or do they get pulled from any international flying. Would the quick upgrades dry up? Stagnation? Or will time to Wb capt drop some? If you were to switch jobs and go to United will you be stuck as a NB FO for a couple of years with no movement or would junior WB FO still an option again with no movement. Will WB captains bid WB FO for seniority and to still fly internationally (would you even be able to fly as FO over 65 internationally?) You guys are in the inside, what are your thoughts and ideas? Thanks
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Old 09-12-2023, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by clearskys
I understand know one knows the future but what are your thoughts if age 67 passes. How would it look for your particular airline? Will there be stagnation?
Some stagnation, I'd guess one year max.

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does that mean those older than 65 will not fly international and move to NB capt? Or do they get pulled from any international flying.
Initially, they cannot fly international. ICAO would eventually raise (or eliminate) their age limit but in the meantime it would be no-go.

Whether they can stay on WBs and be accommodated, or have to bid to NB's would be up to the airline. The bill in congress does not address that, so airlines might have some leeway.

It's hypothetically possible that airlines would be allowed to dictate that pilots can only serve on domestic-only fleets, which may not exist, which would de facto force retirement at age 65. Kind of doubt anybody would go there, lawsuits would be filed and age discrimination laws would be referenced (reasonable accomodation). Probably too much legal hassle. But it's a can of worms.

It's possible that the USG would quickly do bilat agreements with Canada and Mexico. That would allow most of the domestic fleet flying to be done by old guys.

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Would the quick upgrades dry up? Will time to Wb capt drop some? If you were to switch jobs and go to United will you be stuck as a NB FO for a couple of years with no movement or would junior WB FO still an option again with no movement. Will WB captains bid WB FO for seniority and to still fly internationally (would you even be able to fly as FO over 65 internationally?) You guys are in the inside, what are your thoughts and ideas? Thanks
Impossible to say. It would depend on how airlines handle pilots who are too old for international ops. It could vary by airline.

I haven't heard a word from airlines or unions, hopefully somebody is talking about it... the last time the age changed it was effective the same day the bill was signed. So airlines may be dealing with it immediately, with no lead time to prepare.
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Airplanes aren’t gonna fall out of the sky, knock on wood. The reality is that these guys will be burning up all their sick leave and finding reasons not to fly. It’ll mostly be expensive to the airline I figure.
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Airplanes aren’t gonna fall out of the sky, knock on wood. The reality is that these guys will be burning up all their sick leave and finding reasons not to fly. It’ll mostly be expensive to the airline I figure.
Those closer to 65 will have already burned through most of their sick time & will be faced with the unpleasant reality that if they stay, they’ll actually have to work.
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Where did this legislation come from anyway? What was the catalyst? The RAA?
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Those closer to 65 will have already burned through most of their sick time & will be faced with the unpleasant reality that if they stay, they’ll actually have to work.
bridge to LTD…problem solved
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Old 09-12-2023, 11:09 PM
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Where did this legislation come from anyway? What was the catalyst? The RAA?
Bunch of pilots that can’t afford to retire somehow or can’t seem to let go.

I love the “ICAO will do what we do” argument. Standby for disappointment.
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Just seems stunning to me that many of us won’t live to see 75. And some are clamoring to essentially take away 2 more years that could be spent with family or traveling all in the name of money. Can’t take it to the grave with you. In most countries they’re fighting to prevent having their mandatory retirement ages increased. Yet here we are. Sad, really.
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Just seems stunning to me that many of us won’t live to see 75. And some are clamoring to essentially take away 2 more years that could be spent with family or traveling all in the name of money. Can’t take it to the grave with you. In most countries they’re fighting to prevent having their mandatory retirement ages increased. Yet here we are. Sad, really.
it’s not a mandatory retirement age. retire whenever you like.
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Bunch of pilots that can’t afford to retire somehow or can’t seem to let go.

I love the “ICAO will do what we do” argument. Standby for disappointment.
The assumption that ICAO will follow is presumptuous in nature. Just because we do something in the U.S. doesn’t
,mean the world will follow. The Europeans won’t cave as quickly as some here think. They strike over these issues all the time
Time will tell but this part of age 67 will be a chit show for a while.
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