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Brickfire 10-18-2023 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 3711845)
someone still smart please chime in

Agree

Although it may slightly bias payouts away from newer hires

ThumbsUp 10-18-2023 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 3711845)
Was it? The overall pilot pool of money is based on company profit, regardless of pilot pay, except for the new DL formula mods. Retro factors by tweaking all of our individual 2023 earnings by 14%. I’ve failed to remember any useful math from decades ago but this makes me think it’s just a wash.

someone still smart please chime in

Yes, you are correct (in a way). The pool of money that makes up the profit sharing is not increased or decreased because of retro. You will get more money on the profit sharing than you would have otherwise, though. There are 1000s of people here who didn’t get the full bonus because they’ve only been here a couple of years. The net effect of that is a lower % overall, but a bigger net check to you, if that makes sense.

GoCats67 10-18-2023 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Race Bannon (Post 3711812)
It would be interesting if ALPA(or some accounting idiot savant) would do a before and after profit sharing calculation.

I would like to see what the old UAL PS % would equal(based on margin) compared to our new PS(Delta formula) based on $$.


That will be an easy enough calculation once the full year numbers are in. My current guess is that the 6.7% margin (the old calculation) is likely to be about 800 million more profit that would have been contributed at 10% vs now being contributed at 20%, a difference of about 80M in the profit sharing pool for our calculation purposes. That will be a good amount of additional money.

When we originally agreed to 6.7%, the costs were so much lower the 6.7% was basically equivalent to the 2.5B$ of profit that Delta had, unfortunately we didn't have the foresight to see that as both cost and revenue went up our 6.7% would be a higher and higher threshold while Delta's would remain at 2.5B. That was an expensive math lesson that we finally corrected!

Race Bannon 10-18-2023 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by GoCats67 (Post 3711879)
That will be an easy enough calculation once the full year numbers are in. My current guess is that the 6.7% margin (the old calculation) is likely to be about 800 million more profit that would have been contributed at 10% vs now being contributed at 20%, a difference of about 80M in the profit sharing pool for our calculation purposes. That will be a good amount of additional money.

When we originally agreed to 6.7%, the costs were so much lower the 6.7% was basically equivalent to the 2.5B$ of profit that Delta had, unfortunately we didn't have the foresight to see that as both cost and revenue went up our 6.7% would be a higher and higher threshold while Delta's would remain at 2.5B. That was an expensive math lesson that we finally corrected!

Agreed. INFLATION. The margin stays the same but over 20 years that 10%/20% on the $$$$ (below/above 2.5B) pays off in golden nuggets, even though the margin may stay constant. Oh, did I mention DC on the PS.:D

Fixed Gear 10-18-2023 05:01 PM

I’m still pretty new here with UAL and especially when it comes to profit sharing. Previous airlines didn’t have that. Are we getting a ps check or do we have to wait for 4th quarter results?
‘Thanks in advance for any information to help clarify it for me.

cfouriv 10-18-2023 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by Fixed Gear (Post 3712131)
I’m still pretty new here with UAL and especially when it comes to profit sharing. Previous airlines didn’t have that. Are we getting a ps check or do we have to wait for 4th quarter results?
‘Thanks in advance for any information to help clarify it for me.

We get PS for full year results. We should see PS checks in February 24'.

ThumbsUp 10-18-2023 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Fixed Gear (Post 3712131)
I’m still pretty new here with UAL and especially when it comes to profit sharing. Previous airlines didn’t have that. Are we getting a ps check or do we have to wait for 4th quarter results?
‘Thanks in advance for any information to help clarify it for me.

If you have been here for 1 year as of Dec 31st, you will get it paid out in Feb.

Fixed Gear 10-18-2023 05:41 PM

Thank you cfouriv and ThumbsUp

m3113n1a1 10-18-2023 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3712137)
If you have been here for 1 year as of Dec 31st, you will get it paid out in Feb.

Ah, you guys didn't fix that then? Delta pays PS to everyone who worked even a couple of days the previous year. And retirees also get PS on whatever work they did before they retired.

DarkSideMoon 10-18-2023 11:14 PM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3712216)
Ah, you guys didn't fix that then? Delta pays PS to everyone who worked even a couple of days the previous year. And retirees also get PS on whatever work they did before they retired.

There’s a clause that <1 year pilots will get it if United ever decides to extend that policy to another work group.
I wish we got that changed outright (even though it doesn’t affect me), never been a fan of eating the young and it’s unfair that someone who starts the first week of Jan gets nothing but someone that starts the last week of December gets the full thing.


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