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EWRflyr 12-22-2023 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3739036)
2023 eligible earnings
2023 retro check amount
plus 2022 profit sharing amount that was paid 2/2/23

sum of all , then whatever percentage we get.
it should be a good chunk but we are still waiting for them to post the numbers for the last quarter from 2023 (record profits they claim)...... that's why my guess is 7.2%

Profit sharing from a prior year is NOT eligible for profit sharing.

EWRflyr 12-22-2023 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Myfingershurt (Post 3739113)
Taxes on bonuses are withheld at 25%. I’d say that’s probably lower than most major airline pilots effective tax rate.

Taxes on bonuses are 22% for bonuses under $1million and 37% for bonuses $1million+. Federal withholdings on the retro checks were 22%, too.

The tax rate USED to be 25% but that changed.

Chuck D 12-22-2023 08:53 AM

*Withholding was 22%. Tax rate is whatever it is after you file with all income, deductions, etc, factored in.

C17man 01-02-2024 06:09 PM

Whats the napkin math on PS for United next month? When is it typically announced?

JTwift 01-02-2024 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by C17man (Post 3744982)
Whats the napkin math on PS for United next month? When is it typically announced?

Q4 results will be announced after market close on Jan 22. So nobody knows a true number until after that.

LJ Driver 01-04-2024 10:11 AM

Rough math alert, data from earnings reports 2023 (Q1/2/3) and 2022 (Q4):

Q1 -$256M
Q2 +1387M
Q3 +1485M
Q4 +1412M (estimate based on last year +25%, could be more or less)

Total = $4028M

Per UPA, first $2500M adds 10% to our profit sharing, that’s $250M.
Above $2500M ($1528M) adds 20% more, that’s another $305M.

So rough but educated estimate for our portion of PS to be divided among eligible pilots is $555M. What’s interesting to me is that the United profit above $2.5B will add more to our PS check then that below it.

Flyingphi 01-04-2024 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3745760)
Rough math alert, data from earnings reports 2023 (Q1/2/3) and 2022 (Q4):

Q1 -$256M
Q2 +1387M
Q3 +1485M
Q4 +1412M (estimate based on last year +25%, could be more or less)

Total = $4028M

Per UPA, first $2500M adds 10% to our profit sharing, that’s $250M.
Above $2500M ($1528M) adds 20% more, that’s another $305M.

So rough but educated estimate for our portion of PS to be divided among eligible pilots is $555M. What’s interesting to me is that the United profit above $2.5B will add more to our PS check then that below it.

if we assume there are 15,000 pilots that qualify for PS and they made an average of $300,000 each, we will be looking at 10-12% PS.

Race Bannon 01-04-2024 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Flyingphi (Post 3745764)
if we assume there are 15,000 pilots that qualify for PS and they made an average of $300,000 each, we will be looking at 10-12% PS.

And DB on top of the profit sharing of 16-17% for a net total of 12-14%.

Yay!

New contact paying off in spades with new(Delta) formula and DB as the cherry on top.

EAFF95 01-04-2024 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3745760)
Rough math alert, data from earnings reports 2023 (Q1/2/3) and 2022 (Q4):

Q1 -$256M
Q2 +1387M
Q3 +1485M
Q4 +1412M (estimate based on last year +25%, could be more or less)

Total = $4028M

Per UPA, first $2500M adds 10% to our profit sharing, that’s $250M.
Above $2500M ($1528M) adds 20% more, that’s another $305M.

So rough but educated estimate for our portion of PS to be divided among eligible pilots is $555M. What’s interesting to me is that the United profit above $2.5B will add more to our PS check then that below it.

Q4 earnings estimate is about 1.67 per share, coming in at 10.31 per share on year. With 328m shares outstanding I estimate about 3.38b in profit.

Pool will be: $426m

7-9% range id estimate based on 15k pilots at $300k average salary.

C11DCA 01-04-2024 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3745760)
Rough math alert, data from earnings reports 2023 (Q1/2/3) and 2022 (Q4):

Q1 -$256M
Q2 +1387M
Q3 +1485M
Q4 +1412M (estimate based on last year +25%, could be more or less)

Total = $4028M

Per UPA, first $2500M adds 10% to our profit sharing, that’s $250M.
Above $2500M ($1528M) adds 20% more, that’s another $305M.

So rough but educated estimate for our portion of PS to be divided among eligible pilots is $555M. What’s interesting to me is that the United profit above $2.5B will add more to our PS check then that below it.

4th quarter profit is estimated around $548 million. (328 million shares x $1.67/share). Even if you take the pre-tax it wont reach 1412m.


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