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threeighteen 01-06-2024 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 3747021)
There's no such thing as a 'NEO' engine. There's the 320NEO series, which has CFM or P&W engine options, the latter of of which is having issues. The CFMs (knock on wood) are fine.

I can't speak to the 220s.

good thing United chose to go with Pratt

SoFloFlyer 01-06-2024 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 3747021)
There's no such thing as a 'NEO' engine. There's the 320NEO series, which has CFM or P&W engine options, the latter of of which is having issues. The CFMs (knock on wood) are fine.

I can't speak to the 220s.

I was using “NEO” to refer to the P&W GTF engines. I should’ve been more specific so apologies. Word at Spirit is that even the new birds will go down eventually to get the engines inspected. I expect your new 321NEO to have the same issues here within the next 12-18 months. I think it’ll be resolved by then though so it might not be a huge deal like it is now. The A220 are faced with the same issue as they have the same engines on them.

2StgTurbine 01-06-2024 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 3747064)
Given Spirit AeroSystems recent history I’m gonna guess this isn’t gonna be a one-off.

It's been a while since I read the article, but the jist of it was Spirt wasn't really at fault. Boeing failed to give them proper technical documents. For the pressure bulkhead issue, it was the Spirit made fuselages that were actually the good ones and Boeing was the one that made the bad ones.

C11DCA 01-06-2024 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3747224)
I was using “NEO” to refer to the P&W GTF engines. I should’ve been more specific so apologies. Word at Spirit is that even the new birds will go down eventually to get the engines inspected. I expect your new 321NEO to have the same issues here within the next 12-18 months. I think it’ll be resolved by then though so it might not be a huge deal like it is now. The A220 are faced with the same issue as they have the same engines on them.


the 220 does NOT have the same engine as the 320. Yes its a GTF, but its a PW1500G vs a PW1100G. So similar but different.

Excargodog 01-07-2024 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3747232)
It's been a while since I read the article, but the jist of it was Spirt wasn't really at fault. Boeing failed to give them proper technical documents. For the pressure bulkhead issue, it was the Spirit made fuselages that were actually the good ones and Boeing was the one that made the bad ones.

In this case, both organizations are involved:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2024-01-07/

Spirit makes the plug, nut Boeing removes it to put in most of the interior, then reinstalls it and finishes the interior to cover it up and make it difficult to readily access. What subsequent checks (if any" are required, I haven't a clue. Did it in fact FAIL? Or was it not reinstalled properly?

Grumble 01-07-2024 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by 6ix9ineYearFlow (Post 3746904)
Cheap isn't cheap.

Maybe going all in on 737 MAXs is a bad idea. Mayyyyyybe 320 series or even 220s would be a better way to diversify. BOEING has been a disaster...

FIFY

filler

TallFlyer 01-07-2024 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 3747064)
Given Spirit AeroSystems recent history I’m gonna guess this isn’t gonna be a one-off.

Rueters is reporting that while Spirit manufactures the door, they are removed in Renton to load interiors then reinstalled by Boeing.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2024-01-07/

TallFlyer 01-07-2024 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3747224)
I was using “NEO” to refer to the P&W GTF engines. I should’ve been more specific so apologies. Word at Spirit is that even the new birds will go down eventually to get the engines inspected. I expect your new 321NEO to have the same issues here within the next 12-18 months. I think it’ll be resolved by then though so it might not be a huge deal like it is now. The A220 are faced with the same issue as they have the same engines on them.

No worries. As someon else pointed ont, also different engine on the 220s, although same manufacturer.

At my shop our NEOs are CFM, as are our future XLR orders. I'm not sure if the LR or XLR variants have a P&W option.

C11DCA 01-07-2024 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 3747663)
No worries. As someon else pointed ont, also different engine on the 220s, although same manufacturer.

At my shop our NEOs are CFM, as are our future XLR orders. I'm not sure if the LR or XLR variants have a P&W option.

they do... and UAL has PW ordered for the XLR as well

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301853747.html

TallFlyer 01-08-2024 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by C11DCA (Post 3747760)
they do... and UAL has PW ordered for the XLR as well

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301853747.html

Well aint that peachy.


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