Originally Posted by luv757

If that had been the message from the word go this wouldn't be a discussion. The first thing that should have been said was nothing at all. Just go about the business of leaving no stone unturned in efforts to recruit the best possible candidates to become airline pilots. If there was absolutely a need to virtue signal to placate the SJW there absolutely should NOT have been any kind of number attached to whatever was said. As soon as a number was thrown out it became a quota. Even if that wasn't the intention, and I'm in the camp that is accepting of it wasn't meant to be, that number was percieved as one by enough people to make it one. And the message percieved is the message received. The evidence that the message percieved is 50% will be women and minorities is the numerous threads on this that keep popping up. The only thing that should have been said, if anything should have been said, should have been along the lines of "in an effort to make sure we aren't missing out on qualified candidates that may not have otherwise considered this as a viable career we are extending/enhancing our recruiting efforts amongst people that haven't traditionally considered this as a career but possess all the attributes we look for to become excellent pilots in the goal to make sure we are attracting all the top talent we can." The airplane doesn't care if a straight white male or minority LGBTQ non-binary is flying. The airplane will kill either the same if they don't know what they're doing. The airplane only cares that we have the right stuff. The message needed to be that United is seeking everyone with the right stuff. And that's it. But that message got bungled.

Originally Posted by C11DCA

It's not about being "woke".

… and that means increasing the opportunity for those that haven't traditionally had that opportunity,

Originally Posted by C11DCA

It's not about being "woke".

It's about covering hiring needs for the next decade +, and that means increasing the opportunity for those that haven't traditionally had that opportunity, because there are not going to be enough average white guys to cover the needs.

The pilot pool should reflect what our society looks like. A long long way to go to even get somewhat close to that from where we have been historically.

Originally Posted by AbjectFutility

Which of your meritorious attributes were most important when you decided to pursue the piloting profession?

Originally Posted by C11DCA

It's not about being "woke".

It's about covering hiring needs for the next decade +, and that means increasing the opportunity for those that haven't traditionally had that opportunity, because there are not going to be enough average white guys to cover the needs.

The pilot pool should reflect what our society looks like. A long long way to go to even get somewhat close to that from where we have been historically.

Originally Posted by hummingbear

Airlines: Hire white male pilots at a 95% rate even though they represent only about 30% of the U.S. population.

White guys: “This is fair.”

Airlines: We’re going to attempt to recruit pilots more proportionately to the general population. In all reality, white males will continue to be over-represented both in numbers hired year over year & as a percentage of the total labor group, but the disparity will become slightly less glaring over time..

White guys: “Racism!!!”

Originally Posted by Octaflugaron

Men and women, Whites and Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc ALL aspire to different vocations, careers, jobs, occupations, and for many different reasons. People from different cultures and both sexes want different things in life. Get it?

- Octa Floooooog

Originally Posted by Chuck D

Oh. wow. Please do tell us ALL about those "many different reasons" why I can't seem to find one single female pilot who followed in her mom's and grandma's footsteps into commercial aviation - I wonder if one even exists. I mean pick any category you just mentioned and enlighten us as to what sort of reasons might have played a part in them "wanting different things in life".

We need excellent pilots. Expanding the pool to find them isn't a bad thing. And the pool has been historically very small and that's not really up for any sort of reasonable debate.

Originally Posted by Chuck D

We need excellent pilots. Expanding the pool to find them isn't a bad thing. And the pool has been historically very small and that's not really up for any sort of reasonable debate.