I will never understand why the hell we are not flying at least ONE flight a day (a very easy turn for crew) MCO-SJU.

Look, when literally every single competitor - Jet Blue, Southwest, Spirit and Frontier are all heading there (all multiple times a day each) it’s kind of a clue.

The reality is I don’t care how loyal you are to United, there is no way in hell you are flying on us, connecting in IAD or god forbid EWR and spending 8+ hours of your day when there are countless flights non stop on other carriers. You just aren’t.

Just try it. The world isn’t going to end and we aren’t going to be entering Chapter 11 if it fails. I highly doubt it will and I think they would be pleasantly surprised.

I would agree with you, but unfortunately that might not be the case. One of the VPs came by and had a Q&A at my indoc class and when asked about those types of markets (SJU, SDQ, etc…) he mentioned that it’s a tough market. Primarily because those pax aren’t loyal to any one airline and go off of price. Apparently, those carriers run it at a loss from time to time.

That said, I believe UA would be successful on these routes. A lot of people would love to be on a legacy rather than a LCC/ULCC

They might love to be on a legacy, but would they pay for it?

They have proven over and over they will not, hence the cattle car configuration to a lot of those same markets.

that and those pax really know how to fight.

What did you do to get them railed up?

So you think it would be more profitable to dedicate a plane and a gate to a market that has 4+ competitors already offering a higher frequency, instead of finding another city pair that isn't going straight into a competition buzzsaw? If we supposedly have 1000+ routes we think would be profitable but we don't have the planes and crews to fly them, then I'd imagine there's plenty of other opportunities out there to make a buck.

Pretty sure United already has every population declining rustbelt and upper midwest town covered. Probably going to need to spread our wings to some odd and unfamiliar routes soon. Maybe time to try something new and learn some new tricks. When your're green you grow, when your ripe you rot..

There is no single market where there are 4+ competitors into MCO. 2 max. GOL flies a 737. Who wants that. We can expand the joint venture with Emirates in and out of MCO. Not too mention the other Europeans markets that has one to two carriers to it. We can definitely dominate a lot of markets if we wanted too just need planes and crews.

Emirates is apart of no alliance and no JV. The ME3 in general are like this. They use a diluted codeshare with United as long as a EK ticket alongside a United operated flight and that’s it.

With more planes and crews I imagine any carrier could dominate any market, at least I’d hope