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Old 02-22-2024, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 View Post
Something else United pilots didn't want or don't care for, and that is the ability to trade between line holders and reserves. Southwest pilots can trade between line holders and reserves. It helps junior commuters and those who live in base who may be senior but may want to stay home. One can pick up reserve blocks from open time as well regardless if you're a line holder or reserve. I've made a killing doing this during COVID and MAX grounding when people were picking up everything at straight.

Lots and lots of ways to play the game at Southwest and inflate your check - it's not just limited to high season and holiday flying or getting lucky to get paired up with a check airman.

Some senior people here have caught on to the concept and our RCO has some pretty senior people on reserve and with some changes to our contract, it just may make reserve more attractive because the company can no longer split up or export a trip if there are legal premium bidders in base.
When I was junior and trying to get DAL base I did a bunch of trading system wide to avoid commuting to reserve. I commuted to a reserve pairing twice my entire 3 or 4 months of commuting before I got DAL. I was actually based in MCO one month and didn't even see the airport once because of trades. It was very easy to play the game especially since everyone is on the same fleet. Being junior here I was averaging 16-18 days off a month and was able to move my schedule anytime I had an event like a wedding or family in town, etc.
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Old 02-22-2024, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 View Post
Something else United pilots didn't want or don't care for, and that is the ability to trade between line holders and reserves.
UAL has trading between line holders, but I'm not sure about reserves.
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Old 02-22-2024, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jdavk View Post
UAL has trading between line holders, but I'm not sure about reserves.
Of course. Trades between line holders are the norm.

I'm talking about line holders trading their trips with reserves for their reserve blocks and vice versa, so say you have a 3-day reserve block as a reserve pilot, you can trade with a line holder for his trip. As long as both are FAR legal, nothing stopping you from trading between reserves and line holders, swap entire lines and schedules, across the bases, etc.
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Old 02-22-2024, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jdavk View Post
UAL has trading between line holders, but I'm not sure about reserves.
Reserves can now trade trips with other reserves with scheduling's approval, but that's nowhere near as helpful as being able to move things around between reserves and LHs.
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Old 02-22-2024, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 View Post
Of course. Trades between line holders are the norm.

I'm talking about line holders trading their trips with reserves for their reserve blocks and vice versa, so say you have a 3-day reserve block as a reserve pilot, you can trade with a line holder for his trip. As long as both are FAR legal, nothing stopping you from trading between reserves and line holders, swap entire lines and schedules, across the bases, etc.
You don’t even trade with line holders necessarily here. You just trade based on reserve coverage. Easy way to get 20+ days off each month. Pilot to pilot trades are a thing, but that’s less common.
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Old 02-22-2024, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp View Post
You don’t even trade with line holders necessarily here. You just trade based on reserve coverage. Easy way to get 20+ days off each month. Pilot to pilot trades are a thing, but that’s less common.
That sounds kind of like our ELITT.... you trade trips with the company. We just got this to include reserves in our contract, but reserves can only trade their blocks for another reserve block with the company and it'll take some time to get "reserve ELITT" implemented. But no limits except FAR's in pilot-to-pilot trading, and those can be pretty robust here. Kind of a free-for-all, but it can be very helpful for new hires or junior captains who are commuting to upgrade to swap reserve block for trips and vice versa.
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Old 02-22-2024, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 View Post
Of course. Trades between line holders are the norm.

I'm talking about line holders trading their trips with reserves for their reserve blocks and vice versa, so say you have a 3-day reserve block as a reserve pilot, you can trade with a line holder for his trip. As long as both are FAR legal, nothing stopping you from trading between reserves and line holders, swap entire lines and schedules, across the bases, etc.
no lineholders cannot go on reserve except through unpaid volunteering without obligation. It would throw off the pay principles of a reserve guarantee versus a line credit value. Composite lines at a regional I was at were like this but you had to be awarded them by pbs, they were rare, and even then you couldn’t drop a trip to a reserve and pickup reserve days instead. The company can take you off your trip and pay you available days though. But the premise of a lineholder is you are pay protected for your pbs award which has a 5:15 min value per day. Reserve days are worth 4 something minimum pay guarantee, which is a different money silo.
sorry if I misread what you were asking but that’s how I interpret it
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Old 02-22-2024, 01:09 PM
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It would throw off the pay principles of a reserve guarantee versus a line credit value.
Sure, but why couldn't we just call the value of a reserve day (4:17:39) LPV instead of MPG? Make it all the same bucket and then you'd be free to mix and match at will. I personally would love to see composite reserve/line hybrids here at UAL, I just don't think the masses will ever care enough to get it into a contract. Too many people are content to just fly their lines. Nothing wrong with that, but I think there's QoL to be gained by increasing options available to everyone.
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Old 02-22-2024, 02:32 PM
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Sure, but why couldn't we just call the value of a reserve day (4:17:39) LPV instead of MPG? Make it all the same bucket and then you'd be free to mix and match at will. I personally would love to see composite reserve/line hybrids here at UAL, I just don't think the masses will ever care enough to get it into a contract. Too many people are content to just fly their lines. Nothing wrong with that, but I think there's QoL to be gained by increasing options available to everyone.
I'm all for it. Seems like the company and union have a different system in mind though. Making reserve more appealing though pay incentives and days off. Which require reserve for the entire bid month to calculate the incentives.
at least the add pay category is enjoyed by reservists as well. That makes all the difference
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Old 02-22-2024, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TimetoClimb View Post
I'm all for it. Seems like the company and union have a different system in mind though. Making reserve more appealing though pay incentives and days off. Which require reserve for the entire bid month to calculate the incentives.
at least the add pay category is enjoyed by reservists as well. That makes all the difference
Trading reserve with a line holder is especially handy when it comes to month to month overlap conflict bidding and getting that reserve block reduced.
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