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Old 05-19-2024 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Furloughedboi
if you’re familiar with the NASA ASAP program, FSAPs are basically ASAPs but for aircrews.
if you’re not familiar with the ASAP program, it’s when a pilot messes up and files a report saying “oops I messed up here’s what happened and what I should have done differently.”
as long as the pilot didn’t seriously violate any FARs or make the “mistake” intentionally, it’s a way to alleviate the chance of punitive action by showing you recognized the error and are going to prevent future mistakes.
In addition to unintentional mistakes, FSAP’s are a great tool for highlighting safety issues that need attention. When you see a safety issue, an Fsap could start the ball rolling toward positive change👍🏼
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Old 05-19-2024 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Furloughedboi
if you’re familiar with the NASA ASAP program, FSAPs are basically ASAPs but for aircrews.
if you’re not familiar with the ASAP program, it’s when a pilot messes up and files a report saying “oops I messed up here’s what happened and what I should have done differently.”
as long as the pilot didn’t seriously violate any FARs or make the “mistake” intentionally, it’s a way to alleviate the chance of punitive action by showing you recognized the error and are going to prevent future mistakes.
oh you meant ASAP not FSAP. Or does your company / ALPA MOU call it an FSAP for some reason???
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Old 05-19-2024 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
oh you meant ASAP not FSAP. Or does your company / ALPA MOU call it an FSAP for some reason???
We call it FSAP. Same as an ASAP at every other airline I worked for before here.
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Old 05-19-2024 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
oh you meant ASAP not FSAP. Or does your company / ALPA MOU call it an FSAP for some reason???
Same thing, we just use the first letter to identify which department filed the report. FSAP for Flight Ops, DSAP for Dispatch, ISAP for Inflight, etc.
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Old 05-20-2024 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by hopp
Exactly. My standard response...., once we got down to taxi speed was "sorry I missed that last call...say again please"? Followed by, ugh was busy, but since I couldn't comply, I"ll be filing an FSAP". On the FSAP, I let them know the folly of such calls. I tried to get others to file FSAP's for every instance of stupid " expidite" clearances. That would put a stop to this.
Exactly. You own the runway. You have the right of way. So everything else is...not you're problem really.

"AJet 69, cleared to land runway 36, minimize time on runway, traffic 1.5 mile in trail"

Uh...not my problem you vectored tight/other guy didn't keep SA on spacing.

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