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01-18-2025 | 07:43 AM

#61

JTwift

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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

I have never understood why we stay downtown. On weekends, they are ghost towns and lots of places shut down after business hours during weekdays, so we aren't gaining much.

It’s not so much the homeless, etc at the Seattle layover that is bad. It’s more that, on the weekend, everything is closed.

01-18-2025 | 08:51 AM

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170Till5

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Originally Posted by DownSideUp

Question for the group in light of the tragic layover death of a flight attendant in Denver. Has ALPA and/or the Company ever considered reevaluating the requirement of a central business district layover and instead looked at area crime rates in determining our layover hotels? I understand the reasoning behind the 14 hr or longer downtown layover but aren't there better areas say in Denver to layover (Cherry Creek)? Seems like safety (re: less crime) would be a better metric for finding locations versus straight "downtown".

the DoD / US government usually requires vendors to provide hotels that meet a certain safety rating based on FBI crime map.. AKA it can’t be located in a dump

01-18-2025 | 08:54 AM

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BurritoBeach

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Originally Posted by Pilot4000

a chick in Lululemon yoga pants.

You've got my attention

01-18-2025 | 11:45 AM

#64

11atsomto

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Originally Posted by 170Till5

the DoD / US government usually requires vendors to provide hotels that meet a certain safety rating based on FBI crime map.. AKA it can’t be located in a dump

sounds like an "industry best practice"

01-18-2025 | 12:19 PM

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TurquoiseLine

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Originally Posted by 170Till5

the DoD / US government usually requires vendors to provide hotels that meet a certain safety rating based on FBI crime map.. AKA it can’t be located in a dump

what are you on about? DTS shows the cheapest hotels possible in all the same places as our layovers

01-18-2025 | 01:21 PM

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John Carr

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Originally Posted by Pilot4000

It's normally the ex military guys that say "I'm just gonna chill in my room, I don't like walking around here".

I'm not mil, but getting close to 30 years of this, there's places "I don't like walking around".

Not out of fear/apprehension, I just may not LIKE it. And frankly, there's just some things/places I'm "over".

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Originally Posted by Pilot4000

Meanwhile the most dangerous thing that could happen to you is to get bitten by a labradoodle being walked by a chick in Lululemon yoga pants.

And if it's in SFO, she STILL wearing a mask, OUTSIDE.

01-18-2025 | 05:31 PM

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AF OneWire

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Originally Posted by Pilot4000

Now THAT is funny, and so very true.

It's normally the ex military guys that say "I'm just gonna chill in my room, I don't like walking around here". Meanwhile the most dangerous thing that could happen to you is to get bitten by a labradoodle being walked by a chick in Lululemon yoga pants.

Didn’t we just prove that the most dangerous thing that could happen is being stabbed to death by a drugged out homeless dude?

I just want to stay somewhere not over run by mentally ill people.

01-19-2025 | 03:15 AM

#68

Pilot4000

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Originally Posted by John Carr

And if it's in SFO, she STILL wearing a mask, OUTSIDE.

So? Doesn't mean you have to wear one. If that makes you want to stay inside, not sure who has the issues.

01-19-2025 | 05:03 AM

#69

ugleeual

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Originally Posted by TurquoiseLine

what are you on about? DTS shows the cheapest hotels possible in all the same places as our layovers

^^^ this ^^^ DoD looking for literally the cheapest accommodations possible… it’s laughable the bs “facts” that pilots peddle on this forum.

01-19-2025 | 10:58 AM

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170Till5

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Originally Posted by ugleeual

^^^ this ^^^ DoD looking for literally the cheapest accommodations possible… it’s laughable the bs “facts” that pilots peddle on this forum.

LPTA.. lowest price Technically acceptable is what the DoD runs on. Aka they have to put the crime statistic requirement in the PWA / Solicitation. Always a lot harder to find a decent spot when they have this and to come under the gov per diem rate