Layover Threat
01-15-2025 | 06:58 PM
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Layover Threat
Question for the group in light of the tragic layover death of a flight attendant in Denver. Has ALPA and/or the Company ever considered reevaluating the requirement of a central business district layover and instead looked at area crime rates in determining our layover hotels? I understand the reasoning behind the 14 hr or longer downtown layover but aren't there better areas say in Denver to layover (Cherry Creek)? Seems like safety (re: less crime) would be a better metric for finding locations versus straight "downtown".
01-15-2025 | 08:22 PM
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There was a day back in 2022 when San Salvador had 62 murders. We didn't change hotels, but I didn't stray far from the hotel and mall area for a while. (Last year they barely had 100 in the whole country for the whole year, so it's cleaned up a lot.)
There was a murder two weeks ago in Hell's Kitchen 3 blocks from our Manhattan hotel. The healthcare CEO was murdered less than a block from our old Manhattan hotel. A guy was shot in the head at the Redondo Beach pier last year, across the street from our hotel.
Fifteen people were murdered a couple blocks from our New Orleans hotel two weeks ago.
Yet I still have no appetite to spend every layover at the field hotel.
There was a murder two weeks ago in Hell's Kitchen 3 blocks from our Manhattan hotel. The healthcare CEO was murdered less than a block from our old Manhattan hotel. A guy was shot in the head at the Redondo Beach pier last year, across the street from our hotel.
Fifteen people were murdered a couple blocks from our New Orleans hotel two weeks ago.
Yet I still have no appetite to spend every layover at the field hotel.
01-15-2025 | 08:56 PM
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Question for the group in light of the tragic layover death of a flight attendant in Denver. Has ALPA and/or the Company ever considered reevaluating the requirement of a central business district layover and instead looked at area crime rates in determining our layover hotels? I understand the reasoning behind the 14 hr or longer downtown layover but aren't there better areas say in Denver to layover (Cherry Creek)? Seems like safety (re: less crime) would be a better metric for finding locations versus straight "downtown".
01-16-2025 | 02:11 AM
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There was a day back in 2022 when San Salvador had 62 murders. We didn't change hotels, but I didn't stray far from the hotel and mall area for a while. (Last year they barely had 100 in the whole country for the whole year, so it's cleaned up a lot.)
There was a murder two weeks ago in Hell's Kitchen 3 blocks from our Manhattan hotel. The healthcare CEO was murdered less than a block from our old Manhattan hotel. A guy was shot in the head at the Redondo Beach pier last year, across the street from our hotel.
Fifteen people were murdered a couple blocks from our New Orleans hotel two weeks ago.
Yet I still have no appetite to spend every layover at the field hotel.
There was a murder two weeks ago in Hell's Kitchen 3 blocks from our Manhattan hotel. The healthcare CEO was murdered less than a block from our old Manhattan hotel. A guy was shot in the head at the Redondo Beach pier last year, across the street from our hotel.
Fifteen people were murdered a couple blocks from our New Orleans hotel two weeks ago.
Yet I still have no appetite to spend every layover at the field hotel.
it’s also valid to ask if it’s safe to continue overnighting there. I don’t understand the vitriolic response this question is getting. Some people (not you JFS 3) seem to have an emotional defensive response to hearing pilots ask if it’s safe to have a layover at this hotel considering recent events. I’m all for having the discussion. I don’t want to end up laying over in an office park but I’ve had some uncomfortable moments over the years with the crazies around that area as well. Did American change their hotel or are they sticking to the place?
01-16-2025 | 03:41 AM
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my rule is when I see crazy whacked out homeless people, I assume everyone one of them has a good chance of snapping and attacking. I literally never assume they are safe. They’re whacked out, they’re not safe.
in Vegas one time a homeless lady walked up and spit on my face once. Shame on me for thinking the homeless women can’t do crazy stuff, but won’t be fooled twice I’ll tell you that
in Vegas one time a homeless lady walked up and spit on my face once. Shame on me for thinking the homeless women can’t do crazy stuff, but won’t be fooled twice I’ll tell you that
01-16-2025 | 04:17 AM
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I like how 16th street has been turned into one big maze of fenced in alleyways, making it so it’s much harder to run away from any conflict, or man with poopoo hands chasing you.
01-16-2025 | 04:54 AM
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