Uhh....no. Cargo makes money for us whether there are people on board or not. Like many things, depends on where you go. A 777-300ER can make money with no people.

In nearly all (if not all)of our markets carrying people is more profitable than cargo. In some markets the cargo adds the incremental profit that makes the route work.

Simply 'making money' isn't enough in this game.

I’m pretty sure “simply making money” is the most important thing in this game (as long as you’re not leveraging your future). You can ask Spirit what happens when you stop simply making money.

You should stick to running lemonade stands.

uh yes…while it may work occasionally (SFO-SYD etc) we don’t have the ability to have cargo only flights. The exception was during COVIF. In relation to the post I responded to, the poster said he flew united cargo on his cargo only flights. I am pretty sure it was to locations we couldn’t send a passenger flight as we need that above the wing to justify the market. Any additional cargo with that above the wing is a bonus. Hope that helps you understand. Haven’t seen a route announcement that we will.be adding a flight solely for the cargo opportunities.

It was NRT LAX.

We have one trip a day NRT LAX. Half the time those trips cancel due to the crew unwilling to extend after a maintenance delay or crew refusal for a reading light in the rest area. Was this delayed cargo? Do you know if that was the only segment it was flying? Was our flight weight restricted? I’ve seen them cut a pallet of cargo when captain adds fuel so he could fly .88 and make his RNO commute flight.

Your argument is so sound that you have to turn to trying to insult people.

There is a reason that Lufthansa, Emirates and others have dedicated cargo operations. Maybe their management teams should go back to running lemonade stands.

Multiple jet loads for months in a row but I must have been hallucinating.

People say Cargo drives everything you can't make money in any route unless it has Cargo, yet we (and like the entire industry which will soon become the norm rather than the exception) take narrowbody planes across the Atlantic.

I have been told in a classroom on company property that if Polarius or whatever the " nomenclature du jour" the entire cost of the flight is paid for...............
but like what if everyone used points to upgrade?

I have been told that Hawaii is pretty much a money losing market and is only kept so as to reward or entice Mileage plus explorers to cash in thier rewards as they continue to chase thier next status.

I don't really know........not really part of my job to know that. I just kind of focus on ending up where where it says on the peoples boarding passes......and if can do so safely then maybe do so within 14 minutes after the time that's listed.