I'll take that bet.


Iberia blocks MAD-IAD at 9:10 during the summer and that is only 3300nm.

Even if you use a 4000nm range as a realistic limit (vs the 4700nm advertised) that equates to roughly 11 hours of block westbound.

3300nm/9.15 hours block x 11 hours =3967nm.

winter winds would of course shorten the range, but if it truly can do 4700nm with reserves then over 10 hour flights would be possible year round.

Woosh my man, biiiig woosh.

But, true to "fashion", they take themselves, and everyone else, too serious.

Those poor passengers on an a320 for 9 hours. The long thin routes might be profitable but we might have jumped the shark with “yes we can” but why? Walking off a plane with an over flowing lav, ****ed off flight attendants, and DVT in half the passengers and crew is just insanity.

I get what you are saying but the A320 cabin is 8 inches wider than the 757. I want more widebody airplanes but the A321XLR will be an improvement on all transatlantic 757-200 routes.

With the 757 however you could carry all the bags and two meals per passenger plus some cargo and get on top of the weather in the tracks. The A321 will be in the weather with 1 meal and not all bags loaded.
The 757 has actually fallen out of favor over the pond as slot and gate restrictions in Europe mandate bigger airframes. The 767's are going away for the same reason.
Single aisle is a miserable experience on transatlantic flights and lav placement becomes critical.

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Those poor passengers just want the cheapest seats - they'd be happy with an RJ if it was a few bucks cheaper.

I think thats sorta the point I was making a while back.
Some say you can't make any money without any cargo.................clearly you can or we and everyone else wouldnt be doing it.
Some say you only make money if the first class is full..................don't know who it was but somebody did post how easy it is for people to use points to upgrade these days. So Im not sure that ol saying is all True and time tested either.

There is stuff we as pilots THINK we know but we really DON'T

I am always amazed at how pilots project range. 4700 is perfect conditions and you can't fill the aircraft up. As a example the paper range o a A330-900 is 7200 miles. It's maxed out TLV to JFK which is 4900 miles. To even make that work you leave at 11 PM for cooler temps and sometimes need to block seats and often leave cargo behind. If the temps are cool enough you are at max structural weight in the winter.
Another example is FRA to JFK. It's 3300 miles and should be easy for the 757 with a 4100 mile published range. Delta tried it for a couple of months before tossing the towel in. Just would not hack it in the winter.

I used to regularly fly the 757 from Madrid to Dulles in the summer. A normal flight had a weight restriction, not for takeoff performance but to keep the enroute burn down, and would arrive in Dulles with 1:15 - 1:20 fuel remaining. If an alternate was needed, it would have a huge weight restriction (like 50+ passengers) to meet the fuel requirements. I never had to stop for gas, but it sometimes happened.

Of course we would take off with totally full fuel tanks.