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Old 01-21-2025 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
ugggghhhhhh.... they certainly earn less than us, but 1/3......I'm rubbing my chin.
I am guessing 150 for the CA and 100 for the copilot. 250 total plus a very skinny benefits package. 370 for the CA and 240 for the copilot and relief pilot. 250 verses 750 plus a much more generous benefit package. Granted that the larger carriers in Europe pay more but they don't seem that interested in the AirFrame.

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Old 01-21-2025 | 09:55 AM
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Yes I have. The customers select plus points upgrade when they book the ticket. It’s not usually instantaneous they get their upgrade . No guarantee they get a seat upgrade. They will sell upgrades for non plus points up to check in cutoff time. Yes the list may be long but not all get seats. Also those plus points come with a minimum spend to achieve them. They aren’t gifted. Money exchanges hands and large amount for the chance to upgrade.

How many empty Polaris cabins do you see prior to the upgrade list being cleared one hour before departure? The ability to revenue control the inventory has been better at United than it has ever been. If you yourself really want a Polaris seat for your vacation buy yourself a seat.
And that's my point. The Polaris upgrade list was mostly identical to the standby list on International flights before PlusPoints. Getting Polaris was easy. Now that's not always the case. If there are Polaris seats available come upgrade time, the upgrade list is sometimes long with 1k/platinum Pluspoint upgrades.... the Standbys start 6 or 10 numbers down the list. Oh well. It was GREAT while it lasted. And 27 years in, it's still pretty good.
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Old 01-21-2025 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
100 for the copilot.
is this also like 1989 as well?
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Old 01-21-2025 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
is this also like 1989 as well?
Google pay rates in Europe. The carriers who might use the airframe across the pound pay poorly.
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Old 01-21-2025 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I am guessing 150 for the CA and 100 for the copilot. 250 total plus a very skinny benefits package. 370 for the CA and 240 for the copilot and relief pilot. 250 verses 750 plus a much more generous benefit package. Granted that the larger carriers in Europe pay more but they don't seem that interested in the AirFrame.
an Aerlingus Captain is NOT earning less than a 2 year narrowbody FO at United. Also in your example above the European crew is unaugmented, while the US crew is augmented but the rates (simple addition) do not equal the sum.

It's ok man,...you ve like fumbled through every question and sort of moved the goalposts.
I don't have a degree is RASM/CASM either.....and it just proves to me that when it comes to all the economics of air travel.......there is stuff that we as pilots just don't know.........and there is no shame in that.
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Old 01-21-2025 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
an Aerlingus Captain is NOT earning less than a 2 year narrowbody FO at United. Also in your example above the European crew is unaugmented, while the US crew is augmented but the rates (simple addition) do not equal the sum.

It's ok man,...you ve like fumbled through every question and sort of moved the goalposts.
I don't have a degree is RASM/CASM either.....and it just proves to me that when it comes to all the economics of air travel.......there is stuff that we as pilots just don't know.........and there is no shame in that.
Europeon airlines by regulation and their contracts use two pilots across the pond to anything east of the Mississippi which is where the XLR would fly. Aer Lingus is probably the highest paid of the airlines who might use the airframe.
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Old 01-21-2025 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Europeon airlines by regulation and their contracts use two pilots across the pond to anything east of the Mississippi which is where the XLR would fly. Aer Lingus is probably the highest paid of the airlines who might use the airframe.
hmmm I guess the TAP crews I see at BOS and EWR.....maybe that third other FO I always see is just commuting or doing a LOSA audit...........
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Old 01-21-2025 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
hmmm I guess the TAP crews I see at BOS and EWR.....maybe that third other FO I always see is just commuting or doing a LOSA audit...........
They are allowed to fly legs up to 10 hours with a two man crew. That is how the airlines I am aware of staff and there have been numerous threads on APC discussing it. AirFrance, KLM, Lufthansa, Virgin ect... use two man crews.
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Old 01-22-2025 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Europeon airlines by regulation and their contracts use two pilots across the pond to anything east of the Mississippi which is where the XLR would fly. Aer Lingus is probably the highest paid of the airlines who might use the airframe.

and then a three man crew if it’s south of the Gulf of America, right?
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Old 01-22-2025 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
and then a three man crew if it’s south of the Gulf of America, right?
If it's over 10 hours yes. I doubt the XLR has any capability over 10 hours.
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