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01-23-2025 | 01:39 PM
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Iberia blocks MAD-IAD at 9:10 during the summer and that is only 3300nm.
Even if you use a 4000nm range as a realistic limit (vs the 4700nm advertised) that equates to roughly 11 hours of block westbound.
3300nm/9.15 hours block x 11 hours =3967nm.
winter winds would of course shorten the range, but if it truly can do 4700nm with reserves then over 10 hour flights would be possible year round.
01-23-2025 | 07:30 PM
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But, true to "fashion", they take themselves, and everyone else, too serious.
01-23-2025 | 09:09 PM
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I'll take that bet.
Iberia blocks MAD-IAD at 9:10 during the summer and that is only 3300nm.
Even if you use a 4000nm range as a realistic limit (vs the 4700nm advertised) that equates to roughly 11 hours of block westbound.
3300nm/9.15 hours block x 11 hours =3967nm.
winter winds would of course shorten the range, but if it truly can do 4700nm with reserves then over 10 hour flights would be possible year round.
Iberia blocks MAD-IAD at 9:10 during the summer and that is only 3300nm.
Even if you use a 4000nm range as a realistic limit (vs the 4700nm advertised) that equates to roughly 11 hours of block westbound.
3300nm/9.15 hours block x 11 hours =3967nm.
winter winds would of course shorten the range, but if it truly can do 4700nm with reserves then over 10 hour flights would be possible year round.
01-24-2025 | 01:33 AM
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Those poor passengers on an a320 for 9 hours. The long thin routes might be profitable but we might have jumped the shark with yes we can but why? Walking off a plane with an over flowing lav, ****ed off flight attendants, and DVT in half the passengers and crew is just insanity.
01-24-2025 | 03:37 AM
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The 757 has actually fallen out of favor over the pond as slot and gate restrictions in Europe mandate bigger airframes. The 767's are going away for the same reason.
Single aisle is a miserable experience on transatlantic flights and lav placement becomes critical.
01-24-2025 | 01:40 PM
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Those poor passengers on an a320 for 9 hours. The long thin routes might be profitable but we might have jumped the shark with yes we can but why? Walking off a plane with an over flowing lav, ****ed off flight attendants, and DVT in half the passengers and crew is just insanity.
Some say you can't make any money without any cargo.................clearly you can or we and everyone else wouldnt be doing it.
Some say you only make money if the first class is full..................don't know who it was but somebody did post how easy it is for people to use points to upgrade these days. So Im not sure that ol saying is all True and time tested either.
There is stuff we as pilots THINK we know but we really DON'T
01-25-2025 | 05:36 AM
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I'll take that bet.
Iberia blocks MAD-IAD at 9:10 during the summer and that is only 3300nm.
Even if you use a 4000nm range as a realistic limit (vs the 4700nm advertised) that equates to roughly 11 hours of block westbound.
3300nm/9.15 hours block x 11 hours =3967nm.
winter winds would of course shorten the range, but if it truly can do 4700nm with reserves then over 10 hour flights would be possible year round.
Iberia blocks MAD-IAD at 9:10 during the summer and that is only 3300nm.
Even if you use a 4000nm range as a realistic limit (vs the 4700nm advertised) that equates to roughly 11 hours of block westbound.
3300nm/9.15 hours block x 11 hours =3967nm.
winter winds would of course shorten the range, but if it truly can do 4700nm with reserves then over 10 hour flights would be possible year round.
Another example is FRA to JFK. It's 3300 miles and should be easy for the 757 with a 4100 mile published range. Delta tried it for a couple of months before tossing the towel in. Just would not hack it in the winter.
01-25-2025 | 06:39 AM
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I'll take that bet.
Iberia blocks MAD-IAD at 9:10 during the summer and that is only 3300nm.
Even if you use a 4000nm range as a realistic limit (vs the 4700nm advertised) that equates to roughly 11 hours of block westbound.
3300nm/9.15 hours block x 11 hours =3967nm.
winter winds would of course shorten the range, but if it truly can do 4700nm with reserves then over 10 hour flights would be possible year round.
Iberia blocks MAD-IAD at 9:10 during the summer and that is only 3300nm.
Even if you use a 4000nm range as a realistic limit (vs the 4700nm advertised) that equates to roughly 11 hours of block westbound.
3300nm/9.15 hours block x 11 hours =3967nm.
winter winds would of course shorten the range, but if it truly can do 4700nm with reserves then over 10 hour flights would be possible year round.
Of course we would take off with totally full fuel tanks.
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