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Excargodog 11-02-2025 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by St Exupery (Post 3966068)
the GDP spend is a red herring. How much innovation in healthcare and new drugs come out of anywhere but the U.S.? Less than 50%. Much of that is because other countries regulate how much a company can charge for a drug. Americans pay much more for the same drug here than you would pay elsewhere.
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Pharmaceutical companies (like airlines) charge what the market will bear. And let’s face it, a lot of the “new” drugs are simply an old drug with a small substitution out on the periphery that doesn’t really change much, like a thiophene ring for a benzene ring, not really a “new” drug, but a tiny difference that will enable the company to extend the patent and monopoly. Meantime, you buy up or buy off competitors who might want to produce a generic version of the former drug.

H€LL, take something like the epipen - currently selling for around $600 for a two pak, maybe $200 for the approved generic version..

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The active ingredient - epinephrine was patented 122 years ago. Autoinjectors were developed by the Army for nerve gas treatment in 1959, first with the AtroPen (for atropine) and later for 2-PAM chloride.

Actual cost for an epinephrine autoinjectot is under $5.

And the company making it today isn’t even the one that developed it, they just bought it and promptly started jacking up the prices:

https://www.businessinsider.com/epip...percent-2016-8


Grumble 11-03-2025 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3966092)

The overall cost of medical care isn't due to the lack of insurance dollars, but because of it. Insurance has greatly exacerbated the cost of healthcare. If healthcare insurance was designed like car insurance, used in catastrophic situations like long term illnesses, overall costs would be much less. Incidentally, the ACA actually outlawed catastrophic plans because "they were pointless".




No way should insurance providers have a publicly traded profit incentive. National health care program, similar to Tricare. Eliminate the state fiefdoms for insurance companies.

You get a premium refund to cover the cost of gym memberships, fitness clubs, etc.

Every two years you have to do a physical fitness test and medical eval to determine health and fitness level, BMI, etc. The results of this test determine your insurance premiums.

Waivers for pre existing conditions that are genetic or unpreventable (metabolic, drug, smoking, diet induced, etc don’t count).

HwkrPlt 11-03-2025 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3966326)
No way should insurance providers have a publicly traded profit incentive. National health care program, similar to Tricare. Eliminate the state fiefdoms for insurance companies.

You get a premium refund to cover the cost of gym memberships, fitness clubs, etc.

Every two years you have to do a physical fitness test and medical eval to determine health and fitness level, BMI, etc. The results of this test determine your insurance premiums.

Waivers for pre existing conditions that are genetic or unpreventable (metabolic, drug, smoking, diet induced, etc don’t count).

Those health tests will cost a lot more money than they save. Kind of like requiring a drug test for people on welfare. Makes for a good sound bite, but doesn't actually save money.

Freds Ex 11-03-2025 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3966326)
No way should insurance providers have a publicly traded profit incentive. National health care program, similar to Tricare. Eliminate the state fiefdoms for insurance companies.

You get a premium refund to cover the cost of gym memberships, fitness clubs, etc.

Every two years you have to do a physical fitness test and medical eval to determine health and fitness level, BMI, etc. The results of this test determine your insurance premiums.

Waivers for pre existing conditions that are genetic or unpreventable (metabolic, drug, smoking, diet induced, etc don’t count).

orrr we could just go back to pre-ACA and also make health insurance compete instead of monopolize

TFAYD 11-03-2025 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3966326)
No way should insurance providers have a publicly traded profit incentive. National health care program, similar to Tricare. Eliminate the state fiefdoms for insurance companies.

You get a premium refund to cover the cost of gym memberships, fitness clubs, etc.

Every two years you have to do a physical fitness test and medical eval to determine health and fitness level, BMI, etc. The results of this test determine your insurance premiums.

Waivers for pre existing conditions that are genetic or unpreventable (metabolic, drug, smoking, diet induced, etc don’t count).

sure - and while you are add it increased premiums or coverage exclusions for “risky” activities like mountain biking, skiing and maybe even flying GA.

Agent62 11-03-2025 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by jdt30 (Post 3965927)
9.42 billion dollars worth of debt for gates at JFK. I don’t think so, or I really hope not.

I think it would be smarter to let AA merge and then get the gates.

I'm starting to think that they think it might be worth it. Probably the only moment in time that this type of deal would ever be approved, and that's pretty special from a business perspective.

Grumble 11-03-2025 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3966393)
sure - and while you are add it increased premiums or coverage exclusions for “risky” activities like mountain biking, skiing and maybe even flying GA.

They do it for life insurance…

Duckdude 11-03-2025 10:54 PM

Our personal accident insurance excludes anything caused while operating a general aviation aircraft.

11atsomto 11-04-2025 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3966070)
Can we cure disease instead of making maintenance drugs that cost tens of thousands per month for a lifetime?]

Any Pharma person will tell you the money is in the treatment not the cure. Seems obvious to me, but reading some comments here perhaps it is not that intuitive….

But I agree, I would welcome that. There has to be more incentive (in our country at least) than “it’s just the right thing to do.”

TFAYD 11-04-2025 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3966501)
They do it for life insurance…

exactly …..


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