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calpilot69 05-07-2026 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 4033250)
it won’t be carved out… not until they are permanently parked. I bet a PB restricting landings on 29 coming out soon.

Or a PB saying go around when the aircraft is saying "50 40 30 30 30 30" over a freeway.

cal73 05-07-2026 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by calpilot69 (Post 4033267)
Or a PB saying go around when the aircraft is saying "50 40 30" over a freeway.

“Too low trucks”!

John Carr 05-07-2026 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by calpilot69 (Post 4033267)
Or a PB saying go around when the aircraft is saying "50 40 30 30 30 30" over a freeway.

I was gonna mention that. But Simeon will cry “but, but, what if the RA is WRONG!!!!”, because, ya know, we’re not pilots and can’t x-check with, oh, I don’t know, the PAPI or something……

Plus, we don’t get paid for those skills.

ugleeual 05-07-2026 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 4033222)
Do you know that’s what happened? Have you heard the tapes or seen the FDR?

‘maybe… maybe not… but don’t think you can “see” a FDR. You sound like someone who either doesn’t get to make big boy decisions just yet OR just does what your told like a robot. Just because an approach is line selectable in the database doesn’t mean you fly it… it’s called risk management… and this crew apparently forgot that step. I bet that Captain doesn’t fly another 29 approach ever again.

John Carr 05-08-2026 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 4033140)
Off the top of my head I can’t recall those two instances you are referring to…could you provide more specifics.

For someone that posts like their "plugged in", you're ignorance doesn't match. You sure you work for UAL and still aren't at JB? But there's always google....

Uinted Airlines 777 engine failure Dulles

Delta Air(space)Lines engine fire Brazil.

You posted this in the JB UAL merge thread, didn't see any reference to you quoting anyone;


Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 4022361)
Currently at JetBlue what we call a Vacancy bid only contractual has to occur once a year, however pilots can change their B E S just like we can.

Did you leave the part out that you were quoting or referencing someone? if not, who is 'we"?

Grumble 05-08-2026 12:55 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual;[url=tel:4033292
4033292]‘maybe… maybe not… but don’t think you can “see” a FDR. You sound like someone who either doesn’t get to make big boy decisions just yet OR just does what your told like a robot. Just because an approach is line selectable in the database doesn’t mean you fly it… it’s called risk management… and this crew apparently forgot that step. I bet that Captain doesn’t fly another 29 approach ever again.

The FDR data is graphed out, and you look at it in timeline form. You “look” at it. Never been on an AMB?

“Big boy decisions.” That’s cute. A circle to 29 doesn’t even register has a minor concern or challenge. You do you though, because you clearly can’t do what the plane can.

SoFloFlyer 05-08-2026 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 4033333)
The FDR data is graphed out, and you look at it in timeline form. You “look” at it. Never been on an AMB?

“Big boy decisions.” That’s cute. A circle to 29 doesn’t even register has a minor concern or challenge. You do you though, because you clearly can’t do what the plane can.

At NK, we did the RNAV into 29 as a TTP. Apparently, they thought it was a big enough threat or challenge to train for it

Vito 05-08-2026 04:49 AM

The Stadium Visual could be challenging if one wasn’t familiar with it. But the RNAV approach made Rwy 29 approaches a non-event, especially in a narrow body. I don’t understand the mindset of a pilot who refuses to fly to Rwy 29, but everyone has their own personal limits. I once flew with a Captain who insisted on being vectored to the point prior to the FAF on an ILS. She even asked me to do this at EWR! That request went over well by ATC.
The Europeans, especially the Brits on PPrune (website) seem to think anything less than a 5 mile final to a 10,000 ft runway is a threat. They’re throwing the term “normalization of deviance “ around a lot over there concerning this approach.

cal73 05-08-2026 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4033345)
At NK, we did the RNAV into 29 as a TTP. Apparently, they thought it was a bite enough threat or challenge to train for it

We beat SFO to death a few MV cycles ago.

ugleeual 05-08-2026 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 4033333)
The FDR data is graphed out, and you look at it in timeline form. You “look” at it. Never been on an AMB?

“Big boy decisions.” That’s cute. A circle to 29 doesn’t even register has a minor concern or challenge. You do you though, because you clearly can’t do what the plane can.

maybe… but I won’t be dragging the belly into a light pole (or worse) on EWR 29.


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