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Originally Posted by ugleeual
(Post 4034008)
Don’t put words in my mouth. I said your posts were full of bravado. I also never said the plane and crews here at United were incapable of flying 29… just said nothing wrong with saying unable after a long flight (you know just because you can). You can do whatever you want brother… you think the risk is worth it then have at it… I’ll continue to say “unable 29” and just continue to read these accident reports from those who aren’t making smart decisions.
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My posts about the C-17 was an example about using the brakes aggressively and how short a 767 can land. Not trying to be a “soldier” just pointing out that you can get on the brakes and stop a lot shorter than most pilots are used to.
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Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
(Post 4034077)
Since you are making "smart decisions" and read all the reports, I'm sure you've considered this also happened barely more than a month ago:
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Originally Posted by Vito
(Post 4034123)
My posts about the C-17 was an example about using the brakes aggressively and how short a 767 can land. Not trying to be a “soldier” just pointing out that you can get on the brakes and stop a lot shorter than most pilots are used to.
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Originally Posted by Vito
(Post 4034123)
My posts about the C-17 was an example about using the brakes aggressively and how short a 767 can land. Not trying to be a “soldier” just pointing out that you can get on the brakes and stop a lot shorter than most pilots are used to.
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It’s time to equip airliners with arresting hooks
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Originally Posted by sl0wr0ll3r
(Post 4033454)
Well said! Probably everyone involved in events like the EWR accident believed, until things went wrong, that they were up to the task. For all on this thread exuding confidence and even bravado, remember aviation’s ability to humble and kill. We’re paid to mitigate and minimize risks, not demonstrate our prowess while taking unnecessary risks.
I’m not saying this to castigate the EWR crew, as I wasn’t there and I’m not privy to all the facts. But this discussion should center on conservative decision making with a little humility sprinkled in. The company, FAA and even Alpa, has spent enormous resources on human factors and CREMTEM, for all pilots. There were three on that deck. If this were a case of “ bravado or unnecessary risk” they would have all had to be “all in”. Unlikely. As professional airline pilots we are trained and certified to be able to accept the risks the airline and faa have already certified to demonstrate. That is why we have sims. If a pilot cannot perform those tasks when conditions are within limits, and the equipment is not malfunctioning, that pilot should request additional training ( which United will happily supply), to bring his ability and confidence level up to standards. The passengers that pay and depend on us will appreciate not landing at another airport, at the same time all other flights are safely landing at the intended destination. I think the most telling thing will be the last minute of the CVR. I expect (unfortunately) to hear nothing out of the ordinary. |
Originally Posted by JBro192
(Post 4034161)
It’s time to equip airliners with arresting hooks
Originally Posted by hopp
(Post 4034218)
As professional airline pilots we are trained and certified to be able to accept the risks the airline and faa have already certified to demonstrate. That is why we have sims. If a pilot cannot perform those tasks when conditions are within limits, and the equipment is not malfunctioning, that pilot should request additional training ( which United will happily supply), to bring his ability and confidence level up to standards.
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Originally Posted by hopp
(Post 4034218)
I cannot agree. Landing on 29 does not presuppose bravado or undue confidence…as the last couple decades of heavies landing there safely have demonstrated. I've seen and done it numerous times. Certainly it doesn’t involve unnecessary risks, unless one considers some malfunction or personal pilot limitation we are not yet aware of.
The company, FAA and even Alpa, has spent enormous resources on human factors and CREMTEM, for all pilots. There were three on that deck. If this were a case of “ bravado or unnecessary risk” they would have all had to be “all in”. Unlikely. As professional airline pilots we are trained and certified to be able to accept the risks the airline and faa have already certified to demonstrate. That is why we have sims. If a pilot cannot perform those tasks when conditions are within limits, and the equipment is not malfunctioning, that pilot should request additional training ( which United will happily supply), to bring his ability and confidence level up to standards. The passengers that pay and depend on us will appreciate not landing at another airport, at the same time all other flights are safely landing at the intended destination. I think the most telling thing will be the last minute of the CVR. I expect (unfortunately) to hear nothing out of the ordinary. |
Ugleeual,
Nobody is talking about” smoking the brakes” 40+ years of flying and never had hot brakes….i keep explaining that You can get on the brakes aggressively and stop the jet a lot shorter than most think possible, I do regularly fly a 767 into 6000-7000 ft runways, (RIC, BDL, PVD, SDF) land close to the 1000 ft markers, smooth application of brakes,full reverse.so far it’s worked well… |
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