Maybe 'pr!ck' was too harsh? I don't know, but that's what you sounded like to me. The entire tone of your posts make you sound like someone who hasn't been in this industry very long. Either that or you're VERY receptive to the 'message' of management. For example, you use the term 'goodwill' to describe the agreement to hire furloughed UAL pilots at their previous payrate. That agreement was made in a negotiation between U&C ALPA and U&C Mgmt....OF COURSE mgmt felt like they got something out of it! If CAL Mgmt made that offer OUTSIDE of any negotiation then I might agree with you (MIGHT...not sure). Question? If you get a pay raise in the JCBA will you consider THAT to be goodwill on behalf of mgmt too? Then you go on to bemoan the costs that will be incurred by the pain of having to pay these UAL furloughees their previous rates! Just how much money do you think that is??? Good grief rocket, it's a fly fart in a hurricane to CAL OR UAL!!!!! Beyond that, why do YOU care?
Now, your point that CAL could just hire off the street for less pay.... If they did that, what would happen to THOSE newhires when the SLI is completed? I won't predict the outcome/fate of the furloughee integration (CAL or UAL), but NO MATTER WHAT, any newhire WILL go below ANY current active or furloughed UAL or CAL pilot. So, CAL will hire, train, and then furlough these newhires because they will HAVE to bring back any current furloughees! Still sound like goodwill to you? Sounds like practical, good business sense to me.
As far as your SLI predictions. I think that they are nothing short of a guess, and are not helpful. The process is ongoing and I feel confident that both committees will come to reasonable, sound decisions on most issues. The remainder will go before the arbitration panel. I also have confidence in that process, so I will await their decisions. In the meantime we should ALL avoid needless and reckless pot stirring. THE SINGLE most important thing that both groups should be focusing on is the JCBA. We MUST ensure that this CBA is done right. We will each have a different perspective on how it fixes past wrongs since we don't have a common history, and we will definitely disagree on the 'merging' of our workrules and QWL provisions. BUT -- we BOTH are on the same sheet of music when it comes to the future! We must make sure this CBA protects our careers and QWL!
IMO, posts like yours damage our collective unity by reviving the 'my airline is better than yours' arguments. Guess what guys? UAL will be GONE. CAL will be GONE. Lets focus on the NEW airline and how it will provide for our families.
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Originally Posted by Rocketiii
Andy, I sure as heck didnt say anything to sound like a prick. So I am sorry if it sounds that way. I am sure that no UAL guy will take the offer.
As to the rest of your post, point taken. However I see no other word to use to replace goodwill. Either it is 100% goodwill or one of the groups gave something up for it. No one, and I mean NO ONE, does anything in this business for ****s and giggles. CAL could easily hire 50 guys that have just been laid off from Comair or from a thousand other unemployed professional pilots for $100 less an hour. We are two companies right now. I assume no furloughed UAL pilot will take the offer and simultaneously complain that they, with 9 to 90 years, will be placed behind any CAL pilot- as all CAL pilots have been recalled on this bid. And not just recalled on paper, but actually filling the ridiculous staffing we have suffered since 911- 9 years ago. Call me a prick, I dont care, but this is a business. And I dont see UAL guys racing to offer SFO or LAX slots to our guys as a trade. One good quarter and all of a sudden we are a merger of equals. We can all sing Kumbayah, but this is a business. The word from the team is that CAL pilots recalled on this bid will be considered active for purposes of SLI and those currently furloughed at UAL will not. Now I too would be ****ed if I was UAL. There has to be a line with career expectations. And decisions made in bankruptcy court to ground half your narrowbody fleet doesnt give one the argument to say that half your seniority list is now closer to widebody positions. Too many people remember the UAL TORQUE campaigns and "brain surgeon" comments. This is a business and I hold nothing against any other pilot for fighting for every dime.