CAL System Bid
09-05-2010 | 01:31 PM
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09-06-2010 | 05:20 AM
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And I wouldn't expect there to be any letters or calls to United pilots until Continental manpower planning finishes the bid, awards the positions, contacts our furloughees to see if they are coming back, and then determines how many positions they have left to fill.
As I said before, just running the combined numbers from this bid and the last bid, IF all our furloughed pilots return, that will leave unfilled vacancies after this bid is awarded. According to those pesky "rumors" again, the company expects only about 70-80 of our furloughed pilots to return (have always questioned why they know this or how they come up with this number, esp. in this economy). If that is true, then there could be more opportunities for more of our furloughed United brothers and sisters.
As I said before, just running the combined numbers from this bid and the last bid, IF all our furloughed pilots return, that will leave unfilled vacancies after this bid is awarded. According to those pesky "rumors" again, the company expects only about 70-80 of our furloughed pilots to return (have always questioned why they know this or how they come up with this number, esp. in this economy). If that is true, then there could be more opportunities for more of our furloughed United brothers and sisters.
09-07-2010 | 08:22 AM
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Since you are on a voluntary furlough, would that play a part? Obviously this is academic at this point since it is clearly an incorrect rumor that anyone has been contacted. That leads to another question, I assume other UA guys are on a voluntary furlough so are they contacted in seniority order for any vacancies or is it the involuntary guys only?
Even if every one of our guys returns that still means at a minimum 12 UAL guys should be extended the chance to return to work at CAL. 15 vacancies in May, 145 now is 160 total with 148 furloughed. At a minimum the top 12 UA guys on furlough have (or should have) the chance at a training date.
And I wouldn't expect there to be any letters or calls to United pilots until Continental manpower planning finishes the bid, awards the positions, contacts our furloughees to see if they are coming back, and then determines how many positions they have left to fill.
As I said before, just running the combined numbers from this bid and the last bid, IF all our furloughed pilots return, that will leave unfilled vacancies after this bid is awarded. According to those pesky "rumors" again, the company expects only about 70-80 of our furloughed pilots to return (have always questioned why they know this or how they come up with this number, esp. in this economy). If that is true, then there could be more opportunities for more of our furloughed United brothers and sisters.
As I said before, just running the combined numbers from this bid and the last bid, IF all our furloughed pilots return, that will leave unfilled vacancies after this bid is awarded. According to those pesky "rumors" again, the company expects only about 70-80 of our furloughed pilots to return (have always questioned why they know this or how they come up with this number, esp. in this economy). If that is true, then there could be more opportunities for more of our furloughed United brothers and sisters.
09-07-2010 | 08:35 AM
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...Even if every one of our guys returns that still means at a minimum 12 UAL guys should be extended the chance to return to work at CAL. 15 vacancies in May, 145 now is 160 total with 148 furloughed. At a minimum the top 12 UA guys on furlough have (or should have) the chance at a training date.
Strange coincidence? Maybe. While I hope we staff the maximum and return as many pilots to work as possible, CAL mgmt is not magnanimous.
Of course, there is the rumor that they are anticipating 1/2 of the CAL furloughs to bypass. Also swirling around in the mix is how many on COLA will choose to extend (and convert to a more punitive LOA)?
So while we may bring some UAL furloughs over, I'm not sure I would set a 'minimum' number just yet.
09-10-2010 | 11:31 AM
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That's probably the minimum amount of pilots that we need but CAL mgmt must cringe at having to pay UAL furloughees their last pay rate AND medical benefits for the first 6 months. So the bid was most likely delayed while they figured out how to make things work with 40 less pilots.
I think they will go as long as they possibly can without bringing on any additional pilots.
Even when we get a JCBA, I bet there will be target dates for the implementation of the work rules on the CAL side of the house so that they can stretch out the hiring required to make up for the staffing increase.
I think they will go as long as they possibly can without bringing on any additional pilots.
Even when we get a JCBA, I bet there will be target dates for the implementation of the work rules on the CAL side of the house so that they can stretch out the hiring required to make up for the staffing increase.
I think that is actually a problem. Now the following statement has nothing to do with goodwill, etc. But buy allowing UAL furloughs to be hired on I can see some negative consequences to the CAL bottom line. CAL will pay out of its coffers the last years pay of the UAL pilots, including all during indoc and training while they are not producing, medical, etc, training and providing types if necessary and including them in the pool of profit sharing. Something to think about. Glad they will be part of the combined company, but I see it only as an act of goodwill. I see no return and actually the same pilots that take the offer may still complain that they MAY be integrated below the CAL furloughs that have just been recalled on paper. Flame away
09-10-2010 | 11:44 AM
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I think that is actually a problem. Now the following statement has nothing to do with goodwill, etc. But buy allowing UAL furloughs to be hired on I can see some negative consequences to the CAL bottom line. CAL will pay out of its coffers the last years pay of the UAL pilots, including all during indoc and training while they are not producing, medical, etc, training and providing types if necessary and including them in the pool of profit sharing. Something to think about. Glad they will be part of the combined company, but I see it only as an act of goodwill. I see no return and actually the same pilots that take the offer may still complain that they MAY be integrated below the CAL furloughs that have just been recalled on paper. Flame away
A few burning issues:
1) C2003 increased pilot flying hours by ~20%, leaving a lot of us on the streets for an extra couple of years.
2) Unlimited 70 seat RJs.
3) No longevity credit for furlough time.
4) The post-BK bond distribution. Those still on the street at the time of distribution received nothing.
There are more; those are just the ones that come to mind at this time.
I'll refrain from commenting publicly on SLI and what I expect UALALPA to do to those of us still on furlough.
09-10-2010 | 01:03 PM
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I see no return and actually the same pilots that take the offer may still complain that they MAY be integrated below the CAL furloughs that have just been recalled on paper. Flame away [/quote]
So an 11 year United pilot that goes to the bottom of Continentals list should waive his rights to be integrated into the combined list? Really? The new "United" will be paying for any additional cost associated with hiring a furloughed United pilot, not CAL ALPA. I'll self censor and stop there....
[/quote]So an 11 year United pilot that goes to the bottom of Continentals list should waive his rights to be integrated into the combined list? Really? The new "United" will be paying for any additional cost associated with hiring a furloughed United pilot, not CAL ALPA. I'll self censor and stop there....
09-10-2010 | 03:07 PM
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I think that is actually a problem. Now the following statement has nothing to do with goodwill, etc. But buy allowing UAL furloughs to be hired on I can see some negative consequences to the CAL bottom line. CAL will pay out of its coffers the last years pay of the UAL pilots, including all during indoc and training while they are not producing, medical, etc, training and providing types if necessary and including them in the pool of profit sharing. Something to think about. Glad they will be part of the combined company, but I see it only as an act of goodwill. I see no return and actually the same pilots that take the offer may still complain that they MAY be integrated below the CAL furloughs that have just been recalled on paper. Flame away
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