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pilotgolfer 09-28-2010 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by Riddler (Post 877794)
I'm in the bottom 15 out of CAL's 147 furloughed pilots. My letter stated that I should expect training NLT April 2011. Depending on how many people accept recall or take a furlough/military leave, it's possible that the last of the 147 could be actively flying sooner than April. So I'd guess that the UAL guys will start seeing class dates next spring.


Riddler,

How long were you at CAL before you got furloughed? Just curious because I've kind of lost track of the timeline. Your hire date and furlough date would be useful, if you could.

EWRflyr 09-29-2010 05:42 AM


The bid showed the furloughed guys going to EWR 737, EWR 757, IAH 737, and GUM 737. The most junior few got GUM.
According to the bid, several recalls were also awarded CLE 737.


GUM is all 737-800 so you get the higher pay being out there.
Not entirely true. GUM now has -700s as well. I believe the number is four. One reason that happened from what I understand was the addition of Fiji. Some -700s were swapped for an -800 or two.

Yes, the company is getting all the responses from the furloughed pilots. Once they have an idea of how many are returning, they can assign class dates in seniority order. Several are on military leaves or other longer-term commitments or have moved on. So I would expect that the most junior guys will train before April and maybe closer to January. Once the company knows how many of the 147 are returning they can condense that list and see how many slots are left to offer furloughed UA guys.

It will be interesting to see as some non-returning furloughed guys creates vacancies in the original bid award in other bases. They should then offer the furloughed guys the chance to move to another base (in seniority order) prior to returning. That will give a true final reflection of how many slots are available and in which seats. Some of those junior guys currently assigned to GUM on the bid may luck out and not have to go out there at all.

David Watts 09-29-2010 07:06 AM

[QUOTE=EWRflyr;878074]According to the bid, several recalls were also awarded CLE 737.



Not entirely true. GUM now has -700s as well. I believe the number is four. One reason that happened from what I understand was the addition of Fiji. Some -700s were swapped for an -800 or two.

I forgot CLE was still a base. :D

luv757 09-29-2010 07:57 AM

[QUOTE=David Watts;878134]

Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 878074)

I forgot CLE was still a base. :D

Yeah, they've got uniforms and everything, it's really great! :D

HercAC 09-29-2010 05:42 PM

[QUOTE=luv757;878158]

Originally Posted by David Watts (Post 878134)

Yeah, they've got uniforms and everything, it's really great! :D

And a much nicer crew lounge than Newark I must say.

dxBrian 09-29-2010 05:50 PM

There is a Guam side letter to the contract that you should be able to get your hands on once you have a firm date for training. I left CMI in November of 2005, but IRIC there was a housing type bonus of about $1000 per month. This may have changed with the last contract, but it was pretty consistent with the side letter from 1996 through 2005.

There is some 3 man flying in Guam, but that will probably go senior, so you will most likely be bound by the 32/7 Flag Rules. Most of the Japan flying will block between 7 and 8 hours for a round trip. GUM-MNL-GUM would be about the same. So a junior lineholder will be working 4 day sequences (not 4 days away from base, but 4 round trips in four days). There are some shorter trips that almost always go to reserves, GUM-ROR-GUM which usually blocks less than 4 hours round trip.

In my opinion, the GUM base will see significant impact from the NPRM regarding flight time. Most of the present 3 crew member flying will be able to be done by a two man crew. The Island Hopper will not survive in its current form if there are no changes to the NPRM. The total block time for GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL is about 13 hours plus there is 2 hrs 30 minutes ground time planned which makes a 15 hour 30 minute duty day. There are no seats on the 737 that meet any of the rest facility requirements of the NPRM, so the flight as is will no longer be possible within the duty time requirements. One possible solution would be to stage crews at KSA. Alternatively, you could have different stops on different days of the week by cutting out one or two stops in either direction.

CA Jimenez 09-30-2010 09:31 AM

According to the Furlough Coordinator at United, ALL of the Continental Furloughees will be coming back to the property. I am happy for them and hope to join them soon also. I did not get any training dates or when the first class will be.

RedFeather 09-30-2010 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by CA Jimenez (Post 878622)
According to the Furlough Coordinator at United, ALL of the Continental Furloughees will be coming back to the property. I am happy for them and hope to join them soon also. I did not get any training dates or when the first class will be.


That is a fairly definitive statement. I don't know how TC would be in a position to know that when the response deadline for recall letters hasn't come yet??????

flyboycpa 09-30-2010 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by CA Jimenez (Post 878622)
According to the Furlough Coordinator at United, ALL of the Continental Furloughees will be coming back to the property. I am happy for them and hope to join them soon also. I did not get any training dates or when the first class will be.

Interesting, as i know one of them is a quite-happy employee at SWA now (yes, a pilot). One other that I know will not return. I couldn't imagine a 100% return rate.


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