CAL-UAL, who needs it?
 

Alright, here is an idea. Lets agree to disagree and sign an MOU that we will keep the operations separate until everyone on the list retires. We (CAL Pilots) sure didn't want this merger and I'm sure the majority of UAL pilots don't want it either. Lets agree to separate operations and separate negotiations and go from there.

NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THAT WE HAVE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT, OR THAT WE ARE "REQUIRED" TO MERGE THE SENIORITY LIST.

This is management's deal, not ours. They wanted/need it, not us. If they wanted our permission they should of asked us for it first. They did not. Our good VP of Flight Ops pretty much said they didn't really need to combine the operations to meet their goals, so lets not do it.

Lets be friendly neighbors, just not move in together. It sure would make things a lot easier.

What do you think?

The word 'whipsaw' leaps to mind!

Actually, it does. The RLA requires both groups to negotiate a JCBA in good faith. Seriously doubt we could circumvent this, but even if we could the company has zero incentive to produce two seperate agreements. The only way it's a viable option would be to concede to operate indefinitely under POS 02. Kinda looks like we're heading down that road anyway...

Speak for yourself skyflyin. United and Continental pilots will be much better off with a merged company and one list. IF I have to give up 5% relative seniority to get it, I don't care. The benefits of a merged airline will far outweigh any loss of seniority I could get in the SLI.

Is this a hunch of yours? Something someone told you? :eek: Something you were told to tell others?

Though, it may benefit you personally.... and is UAL the merged airline of choice to provide you the best career?

That is debatable, but I'm not saying not to merge, just not merge the seniority lists. US Air seems to be doing just fine financially without a merged seniority list.

As far as whipsaw, there could be language drawn up to prevent that.

Have you talked to any US Air pilots?

This is about the dumbest idea I have seen yet. I know nobody likes or wanted this merger but it is a done deal. In about 4 or 5 months there will only be United Airlines as far as the public knows. Lets get PAID now while the perception exists that we are still two airlines. USAIR is not a roll model.

[QUOTE=ron kent;897020]This is about the dumbest idea I have seen yet.

+1

Look, if you want to roll over and just let it happen then that is up to you. I never said we wouldn't get paid. Doesn't the Transition agreement say that we would go to separate negotiations if we can't come to an agreement?

3-B. Resumption of separate negotiations and mediation.

If you think it's a bad idea give some reasons, not just a blank statement. It sounds like a win-win for the pilots to me. If your worried about losing leverage, I think keeping your seniority would more than make up for that. We could even have the same contract, just separate lists.

As far as US Air, I said financially they are fine. The pilots are FUBAR. This would also prevent that.