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Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 899538)

If you look at the system bid award, it lists every pilot in each BES in seniority order. I took the most junior person listed in each captain seat. Again, if the system bid award shows EVERY PILOT STAFFED AT THE COMPANY IN SENIORITY ORDER and I used the most junior person, how can there be someone junior to the most junior person listed flying in that BES?

I'm talking about the final bid award not current staffing. I understand that if you look at current staffing and then COMPARE it to the system bid award there may be senior people coming into vacancies. That's not what my original question was.

OK, maybe I understand now. I'm having computer issues and can't access the last bid award. Did you look for the junior pilots who don't appear in the award in the other BES on the bid award? Maybe they either bid out of, or were displaced from their BES and have yet to be trained.

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Originally Posted by XHooker (Post 900017)

Maybe this whole thing has deviated so much to become completely confusing. Someone said something earlier about seniority and holding certain airplanes.

All I did was wonder what junior most seniority held captain for each base and equipment on the last perm bid. I went to the perm bid award on the FLT OPS site. Opened it up. I went down the captain's side of the list in each base and aircraft to find the very last person listed (i.e. the most junior person listed) and noted their seniority # and last name. Then I went to the master seniority list and found their date of hire. That's it. No fuzzy math. No smoke and mirrors. Just simple date of the most junior guy holding each captain seat per base from the most recent perm bid.

I wasn't weighing in on all the other previous perm bid scenarios, etc. I was just giving everyone an idea of what hire date would hold what equipment here at CAL.

The bottom 756 Captain in EWR came over from Express. The Express pilots that flowed through kept their hire dates for some things, like board date as a non rev. Their seniority though was based on their class date. You can not look at the Cal seniority list by date of hire alone. Too many groups were merged together.

If you want to compare positions you have to look at seniority and percentages.

Clear as mud....