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11-18-2010, 01:06 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
That's exactly what I was thinking as well.
Glad you are finding our pilots hospitable. I've found the same with the CAL pilots. Very gracious.
Glad you are finding our pilots hospitable. I've found the same with the CAL pilots. Very gracious.
+1 from the CAL side. Don't let the opinions of a few on a forum persuade you to believe one thing or another.
11-18-2010, 04:45 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by tailwheel48
The rumor is that UAL will be picking up some Latin and S.American (maybe even Asian) flying out of IAH. I think the issue is addressed in the TPA and as long as block hours remain at a constant ratio, they're in compliance.
This was bound to happen sooner or later!
This was bound to happen sooner or later!
"In each consecutive six (6) month period during separate operations beginning on the Merger Closing Date, the ratio of aircraft block hours
scheduled to be flown by United to the aircraft block hours scheduled to be flown by Continental, will equal or exceed ninety percent (90%) of the same ratio for the same six (6) month period during the period May 1, 2009 through April 30, 2010 (excluding United’s 737 scheduled aircraft block hours during the period May 1, 2009 through April 30, 2010). The applicable scheduled aircraft block hours for the period May 1, 2009 through April 30, 2010 are shown in Attachment C."
The ratio doesn't have to stay the same as it can go down to as low as 90% of the premerger ratio.
11-18-2010, 10:29 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by EWR73FO
How much flying can you continue to swap if CAL is adding block hours and adding pilots while UAL is not? This will become rather uneven rather quickly.
11-19-2010, 12:56 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by 13n144e
Won't matter for two reasons; (a) TPA expires July 2011. (b) They'll be outsourcing everything to Skywest by then.
Why aren't the MEC chairmen seeking injunctions against this until a JCBA is reached?
PIPE
11-19-2010, 02:12 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by pipe
........Why aren't the MEC chairmen seeking injunctions against this until a JCBA is reached?
PIPE
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11-19-2010, 04:27 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by pipe
Hey - one guy sees what's happening. Scope is circling the drain via the "end sweep" happening right now. Skywest 76 seater base at IAH. Republic/Shuttle America 76 seater base at EWR.
Why aren't the MEC chairmen seeking injunctions against this until a JCBA is reached?
PIPE
Why aren't the MEC chairmen seeking injunctions against this until a JCBA is reached?
PIPE
From this week's CAL MEC update:
"Finally this week, the scheduling and procedures for the expedited arbitration on the Scope violation have been finalized. The hearing will be held the second week of December, with a decision rendered no later than Dec. 30, 2010, well prior to the flight start dates."
11-19-2010, 04:47 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by pipe
Why aren't the MEC chairmen seeking injunctions against this until a JCBA is reached?
PIPE
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11-20-2010, 07:07 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by EWRflyr
If it matters, even a little:
From this week's CAL MEC update:
"Finally this week, the scheduling and procedures for the expedited arbitration on the Scope violation have been finalized. The hearing will be held the second week of December, with a decision rendered no later than Dec. 30, 2010, well prior to the flight start dates."
From this week's CAL MEC update:
"Finally this week, the scheduling and procedures for the expedited arbitration on the Scope violation have been finalized. The hearing will be held the second week of December, with a decision rendered no later than Dec. 30, 2010, well prior to the flight start dates."
From the outside looking in, I hope ya'll can come together in a big way and get this JCBA done quick in an amiable way. I know that the new UAL/CAL is not without its issues (ride in JS every week from DEN-ORD) but man I still dig that company. Hold on to that scope and keep fighting the good fight.
Just one regional guys perspective. Cheers-
11-20-2010, 07:42 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by 13n144e
Won't matter for two reasons; (a) TPA expires July 2011. (b) They'll be outsourcing everything to Skywest by then.
CAL has block our protections built in to our contract, section 1 merger and fragmentation clause, UAL does not so the expiration of the TPA would not protect UAL's flying. After the TPA expiration, the CAL pilots could refuse to fly any shifting of flights that is beyond what the TPA specified, but I don't know if that would be legal and thus mgmt could get an injunction?
So lets hope that we get a JCBA before then or an extension of the TPA when we vote down the first JCBA TA.......
Happy to see that we're finally allowing the JNC to do its work without EITHER MEC meddling in the process so that maybe we'll at least have a TA to vote down by July.
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