Everybody likes a chart
 

Using the numbers in the top of this thread

https://spreadsheets.google.com/oimg...x=n1vcjut1x1g3

UAL+CAL by year

2012 18
2013 405
2014 418
2015 383
2016 370
2017 429
2018 414
2019 425
2020 427
2021 507
2022 469
2023 551
2024 491
2025 599
2026 649
2027 631
2028 732
2029 673
2030 651
2031 615

Didn't they already make that go away?

Cumlative Retirements by year
 

https://spreadsheets.google.com/oimg...x=pbl3pmz9b656

Cumulative numbers by year


2012 18
2013 423
2014 841
2015 1224
2016 1594
2017 2023
2018 2437
2019 2862
2020 3289
2021 3796
2022 4265
2023 4816
2024 5307
2025 5906
2026 6555
2027 7186
2028 7918
2029 8591
2030 9242
2031 9857

Don't get too excited...we'll see how fast these fools will shrink the combined airline again crying high oil prices...

I hate to agree with you, but yes. Smisek cares about 2 things: his paycheck and slashing costs. 737-500s and 767-200s are now on his chopping block.

I would love to see the following things by the end of this year:
1. A full page ad in USA Today declaring that United's pilots have no faith in their "leadership."
2. The mother of all strikes.

The truth of the matter is that UAL is no longer nor probably ever will be a firm which grows organically again. The domestic market is saturated and internationally there are much better products and foreign carriers continue to grow.

I think it is sad when the only catalyst left to create career progression is retirements. Yet we keep dangling this carrot in front of ourselves as a means to keep plowing ahead. After 12 years, I've lost all appetite for carrots, either this one or a JCBA much less the prospect of having another 500+ placed ahead of me.

Just being honest-

KC

There can be "growth"--when we take back the outsourced flying foolishly given away in previous contracts. I say "growth" cuz its kinda like a lizard growing back his tail after it got snapped off. We gonna be like a lizard, or just roll over and die a slow death in our own pool of blood?

Wasn't there a UAL 777 at IAD that got both engines cashed in a few years ago because the ARFF used foam instead of just water? Kind of awesome on your last taxi-in due to no fault of your own.

That's what I heard and I thought that was the end of yet another airline tradition. But I'm not 100% sure that is a fact.

+1 Your thoughts are widely shared..