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I don't know where this fantasy CAL has that United pilots think they were going to get "saved" comes from. In reality, it is more like we merged with a much smaller domestic airline and need to make the best of it, i.e. not much we could do to stop it.
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Originally Posted by ron kent
(Post 966658)
I don't know where this fantasy CAL has that United pilots think they were going to get "saved" comes from. In reality, it is more like we merged with a much smaller domestic airline and need to make the best of it, i.e. not much we could do to stop it.
I am thinking that once set your emotions aside and actually read the financials CAL was no sweetheart that doesn't have the capability to save anything. In fact when your really get down the brass tacks what exactly is CAl bringing to the table that UAL didn't already have and much more of? A better management team that actually is interested in building and running a solid airline? Apparently not. A better route structure either domestic or international? Nope An almost irrelevant international route structure? Oh yeah Please remind me exactly what it is that CAL is bringing to the table that is so earth shattering? |
Originally Posted by Ottopilot
(Post 966618)
I think the UAL pilots are just starting to see this merger is not going to save them. It will destroy them ( and CAL). This will go down as the worst merger in history and both airlines will be "history" in time.
Save us? We had already gone through the pain of Tilton "right sizing" the operation so that the domestic product is strictly limited to feed the international markets. Unfortunately, it seems that Smilton was listening. It's not going to "destroy" CAL OR UAL, but it's going to blow going through another round of "right sizing" when we had already sucked on that lemon for the past decade. |
Originally Posted by APC225
(Post 966384)
Note the highlighted part. His intent is make the entire domestic operation a feed for international.
I take this to mean if he can do the entire domestic ops with outsourced planes, he will. He has no interest in having or running a domestic airline as a business or a profit. For him, it's over. International only, park every mainline non-international plane possible, outsource as much as possible. Sounds like the way of Pan-Am. I bet in 10 years or less we'll be buried. |
Originally Posted by ualratt
(Post 965991)
Jsled, did the numbers myself a little under a year ago and yours are right on. Looking at it from the prospective that UAL cut 950 (involuntary) of the payroll; by the end of this year the sum total of retires (without age 65) would be approximately 815. Even with oil volatility more people would still be on the property today, not to mention the upward movement of those still there...
On a side note, heard the company is concerned that as that infamous date closes in more retires will begin cashing out their sick time going into retirement. My thoughts? I think these geriatrics will still be leaving money on the table, walking away leaving a sick bank equaling 1000's hours/dollars... |
Originally Posted by ualheavy
(Post 966737)
Sounds like the way of Pan-Am. I bet in 10 years or less we'll be buried.
• Smisek said he expects United Continental, a merger last year of United Airlines and Continental Airlines, to shrink in the U.S. "We'll have the domestic [operations] sized solely to feed the international traffic." With the CEO making statements like this, I agree! |
Originally Posted by EWR73FO
(Post 966524)
When you take the people that make your product out of the process of actually making the product, you are left with nothing but a large pile of shti.
If Jeff continues to remove the actual CAL/UAL pilots from half of the operation, the undesired consequences can, will, and do show themselves. The next gambit appears to gut the domestic operation a la UAL. He can take the worst of both contracts, CAL's zero workrules, work til you drop, I will save the company contract, and combine it with UAL's 70-seater, Irish JV, if it moves outsource it contract. All the "savings" will result in a massive shift of wealth to a few people while destoying the lives of several thousand employees across the company. Smisek will get CEO of the Year and will be the first American head of the Star Alliance, graduating from mere American wealth to European royalty. • Smisek said he expects United Continental, a merger last year of United Airlines and Continental Airlines, to shrink in the U.S. "We'll have the domestic [operations] sized solely to feed the international traffic." -- The Executive shall receive a minimum annual base salary equal to $975,000. -- The Executive's bonus shall be 150% of base salary; may range between 75% and 200% of base salary. -- The Executive [shall be granted] a special integration award with a target value of $4,000,000. -- The Executive [shall be granted] a long-term incentive award with a grant value of not less than $8,400,000. |
Originally Posted by ron kent
(Post 966658)
I don't know where this fantasy CAL has that United pilots think they were going to get "saved" comes from. In reality, it is more like we merged with a much smaller domestic airline and need to make the best of it, i.e. not much we could do to stop it.
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Your UAL pilot friends are tools. They are also in the minority. You might want to cull your bud list.
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 966701)
No kidding..
I am thinking that once set your emotions aside and actually read the financials CAL was no sweetheart that doesn't have the capability to save anything. In fact when your really get down the brass tacks what exactly is CAl bringing to the table that UAL didn't already have and much more of? A better management team that actually is interested in building and running a solid airline? Apparently not. A better route structure either domestic or international? Nope An almost irrelevant international route structure? Oh yeah Please remind me exactly what it is that CAL is bringing to the table that is so earth shattering? Yep let's get back into this cr@p again. Look I sure as sh!t didn't want this merger and you prob didn't either, but we're stuck with it and the Harvard Law Scumbag captaining the ship until he cashes out. Can we stop with the pecker measuring junk until we get the contract. After that and the accompanying seniority hatred you all can engage in the whole who ruined who's career sh!t show. Hotheads can go ahead and burn this place down like Us Air for all I care, but we've worked hard enough of the last few years that we deserve our payday w/retro. Get the freaking contract and those that need to can wow each other with their pecker size arguments. |
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