This is the best thing Jeff and his group could have ever done, especially for the UAL guys.

In this proposal they have publicly shown they want concessions in ALL areas of the current contract. Yes there is a pay raise but as already mentioned it looks a lot like a pay cut or freeze in others (757/767 new hire)

No improvement in vacation pay
A cut in vacation days.
No improvement in sick list
Get rid of Standards Captains (pay cut)
More RJs and bigger ones at that.
$250,000. not enough, unless your 64 years old (of course your burning your sick list and not flying anyway).
I think you all get the point here.
This is a net loss contract!

Are these things "must haves" of management?
I thought we might avoid it but here comes a strike.

Did I forget to mention the cut in Dead head quality, middle seat pay? You have to be kidding me!

More hours of service....

This proposal just stinks!

No thanks!

Add the fact that Jeffro was quoted as saying we'd never get back to 2001 pay rates.
Let's see, with inflation that's actually 2001 pay -~20%, we'll never get back to.
If anyone thinks this isn't going to be a fight.........

What is extremely disappointing are the current "it's all about me" attitudes.
They are the guys that always seem to have an excuse why the group's position doesn't apply to them.
"I have kids" or "my payment is xxxx" or "my pension loss plus my divorce" etc. etc.
That was your decision. And it was your decision to join the group and be unified when you got hired.
Stand by your commitment.

Flew with a really cool guy the other day. He's losing his house and has a wife and 3 kids.
He had the perfect attitude. His basic logic was
"The commitment I made to my coworkers and the union is just like the commitment I've made to my wife and kids.
We adjust to make it work. That has nothing to do with failing in those commitments. If I break the one with union,
I might as well also ditch my family and steal their money. It's the same moral and ethical failure."

I trust that both MECs know better than to send anything like this turd to membership for ratification. If the MEC becomes so myopic that they would even consider this as a CBA (which I don't think they would), then it's up to each and every one of us to thank them for their service before flooring the recall resolution.

BTW, you guys saw that this document is dated 10-27-2010, it's nothing new, just a re-hash of the opening letter with a merger chaser.

Agreed... No way this even makes it to a TA.

Rules of the game
 

Nobody should have a cow over an absurd opening proposal. Unrealistic "wish lists" (from both sides) are so customary in contract negotiations that they have practically become a ceremonial requirement. The question is always asked: "Why don't we save time by opening closer to the 'center', since that's where we always end up?" The answer is: "Because that would change the location of the 'center'."

Bullseye. It is standard.

Sheriff Jeff nice to Mongo
 

I didn't have to get past the preamble of this p.o.s. to have my delicate sensibilities jarred:

"The Company proposes that the JCBA contain language that clearly reflects the agreements reached between the parties in a way that pilots can readily access and understand."

Me so grateful to Sheriff Jeff and hims smart lawyers to try to make things easy for Mongo and all dumb pilots to understand, but Mongo still confused. Just tell Mongo this good deal, Sheriff Jeff, and me will believe you.

Mongo love Sheriff Jeff......not:p:rolleyes:

Are you serious? You sure have a short memory. More regional flying means people furloughed at mainline. Then Bankruptcy takes the pay they gave you in trade for scope. So you lose all around.

No scope relief.

He was definitely being sarcastic.