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Dicecal 06-27-2011 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by pipe (Post 1013896)
I'd suggest everyone figure their pay at Delta + 1 after a one or two seat downgrade and/or furlough. That's what the 95 seaters will get you.

If it's still a raise for you - tell your MEC you'd like an opportunity to approve this.

And, by the way, any raise without work rules that actually cause said pay rates to be paid would be an anemic result at best.

PIPE

No doubt! NO RELAXATION ON SCOPE PERIOD! Hopefully that alone is a strike issue for all.

SpecialTracking 06-27-2011 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 1014565)
He was definitely being sarcastic.

Bada bing.

SpecialTracking 06-27-2011 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Dicecal (Post 1014768)
No doubt! NO RELAXATION ON SCOPE PERIOD! Hopefully that alone is a strike issue for all.

Relaxation? We are talking reversal.

Trip7 06-27-2011 07:22 PM

What a silly proposal. Do these guys not realize that in a couple years there wont be any regional pilots available to fly those 95 seaters? Pilots are actually helping them out by trying to take the scope back

CaptainNameless 06-27-2011 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1014907)
What a silly proposal. Do these guys not realize that in a couple years there wont be any regional pilots available to fly those 95 seaters? Pilots are actually helping them out by trying to take the scope back

But there is nothing better than getting pilots to pay for what management is going to throw away anyway. Wouldn't it be great to have someone pay you to take your trash away?

throttleweenie 06-27-2011 08:22 PM

That thing is:

1) close to a year old
2) nothing more than a wish list
3) not a TA
4) not even enough meaningful substance to show up on X-band

Fuggedaboudit! It's just a joke

Have another beer

C/B

Pete

SpecialTracking 06-27-2011 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by throttleweenie (Post 1014935)
That thing is:

1) close to a year old
2) nothing more than a wish list
3) not a TA
4) not even enough meaningful substance to show up on X-band

Fuggedaboudit! It's just a joke

Have another beer

C/B

Pete

Couldn't have said it better. They know we will be asking for a lot after bailing the company out 8 years ago. They are just trying to move a negotiation centerpoint closer to their wishlist. As was stated in another post.

Dicecal 06-28-2011 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1014840)
Relaxation? We are talking reversal.


Would be nice. Part of Wendy's response is almost more disturbing to me:

"In the scheduling sections of the contract, for example, our ALPA Subject Matter Experts have quantified our proposal and demonstrated that what we are asking for—to maintain UAL’s present work rules—is actually less costly than Delta’s current contract. "

I've heard CAL current work rules are lacking, but the current UAL work rules are still from a bankruptcy contract and certainly need improvements as well.

beeker 06-28-2011 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1014907)
What a silly proposal. Do these guys not realize that in a couple years there wont be any regional pilots available to fly those 95 seaters? Pilots are actually helping them out by trying to take the scope back

Yeah i've been hearing that for at least 10 years now.

shiznit 06-28-2011 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Dicecal (Post 1014984)
Would be nice. Part of Wendy's response is almost more disturbing to me:

"In the scheduling sections of the contract, for example, our ALPA Subject Matter Experts have quantified our proposal and demonstrated that what we are asking for—to maintain UAL’s present work rules—is actually less costly than Delta’s current contract. "

I've heard CAL current work rules are lacking, but the current UAL work rules are still from a bankruptcy contract and certainly need improvements as well.

Ouch. Is that what they got from polling and surveys?

Or is it time to dust off the recall rules section of the by-laws...


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