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Old 09-15-2011, 08:31 AM
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United Continental Holdings Inc. (NYSE:UAL) which owns both United and Continental airlines said that it will reduce domestic flying and increase International flights.

President and CEO Jeff Smisek said during a meeting with analysts that it plans is to increase international flying as much as demand will support, and to make the domestic network as big as needed to supply passengers to international flights.
More accurately, "make the domestic network as small as needed . . ."

So, that's it--everything not international is a feeder. It is clearer now why they want 250 94-seaters. All domestic outsourced. I guess it's part of the larger plan to then outsource the international flying and just be a holding company with no Operating Certificate at all.

United Continental sees 2012 flying levels flat | khou.com Houston

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More accurately, "make the domestic network as small as needed . . ."

So, that's it--everything not international is a feeder. It is clearer now why they want 250 94-seaters. All domestic outsourced. I guess it's part of the larger plan to then outsource the international flying and just be a holding company with no Operating Certificate at all.
Pretty accurate synopsis of how any US flag carrier would like to operate. Fortunately, for the time being, it can only happen if we allow it to.
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I'm not saying your gona except it so don't go there, just passing along info i know its trollish but what can I say, sorry!
Your correct.

The majority of the combine Pilot Group will not ACCEPT any further SCOPE degradation pertaining to the future JCBA.

Thanks for keeping us out of the dark.
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You're correct.

The majority of the combine Pilot Group will not ACCEPT any further SCOPE degradation pertaining to the future JCBA.

Thanks for keeping us out of the dark.
If another run is made at binding arbitration and they succeed, the entire deal will bypass the pilots groups. They want BA badly and they're likely to try again.
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If another run is made at binding arbitration and they succeed, the entire deal will bypass the pilots groups. They want BA badly and they're likely to try again.
"IF" and "Likely to try again"......Cross that bridge if the BA comes to fruition.

Having spoke with my Rep this past week regarding that rumor, 'they', "our powers to be (CAL-MEC)", appear to be very much opposed to the BA.

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International only? Not likely. Joint ventures and Star Alliance can do all the international flying.

United could be a couple scope changes away from being nothing but a brand, organizer, and ticket seller. No planes, no pilots.

Its already happening today. Many many passengers buy United tickets from anywhere to anywhere in the world and never step foot on a United airplane. Skywest Boise to Denver, US Airways to Charlotte, and then Lufthansa to Frankfurt.
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Originally Posted by SoCalGuy
"IF" and "Likely to try again"......Cross that bridge if the BA comes to fruition.

Having spoke with my Rep this past week regarding that rumor, 'they', "our powers to be (CAL-MEC)", appear to be very much opposed to the BA.

You want to share different?
No. You quoted the key words "if" and "likely."

Nothing of substance to share.

Just phantom paranoia.
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Cross that bridge if the BA comes to fruition.
If that bridge gets built it'll be too late. We'll already be on the other side.
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Having spoke with my Rep this past week regarding that rumor, 'they', "our powers to be (CAL-MEC)", appear to be very much opposed to the BA.
I have too, and I agree with your assessment of their position. Somehow I think the company will try other strategies to get it done. Don't ask me "what strategies" as I wouldn't have a clue. But I'm pretty sure they're not sitting on their hands saying "Oh, well, that didn't work. Now, who wants pizza?!"
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No. You quoted the key words "if" and "likely.".
Yes...the words that you used.
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Just phantom paranoia.
How can one not have a 'phat' dose of that during these times?
I would say a very healthy trait to have when at the table with "J-LO" & Fred.
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If that bridge gets built it'll be too late. We'll already be on the other side.
Again, "If".....and yes, I would agree at that point in time.
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