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gettinbumped 12-29-2011 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1108874)
Name one thing that is a violation of the injunction in my posting. Let me run down the list.

1. Not waiving anything. NOT
2. Not hanging around ops on sits. NOT
3. Not answering your cell phone which you are not required to own. NOT
4. Not accepting broken planes. NOT
5. leaving Channel 9 off. NOT
6. Making sure you have proper nutrition. NOT
7. Reporting all known defects. NOT
8. Not lighting a fire under other employee groups who aren't doing their jobs. NOT
9. Not risking life or death by driving in poor weather just to get to work. NOT

Management can feel free to roll up the injunction and use it as a suppository


Any organized campaign with the intent to disrupt the operation is illegal. Doesn't matter if you are suggesting a "work to rule" campaign or suggesting things that are "extra safe". You are now on a public forum suggesting First Officers "find things that need to be addressed by TOMC". Management used posts from public (and private) forums to get the injunction installed in the first place. I hear what you are saying, but there are smarter ways to go about it then posting them on a public forum.

gettinbumped 12-29-2011 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Coto Pilot (Post 1108761)
You are assuming that A320 is an active United pilot that is subject to the injunction.

Having a post from a United Pilot (current or former) on a public forum suggesting that First Officers find things to write up on walk arounds isn't doing us any favors. If you don't believe me, call your rep and quote the post I'm referencing word for word and see what they say.

gettinbumped 12-29-2011 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1108876)
By the way I know you are just kidding.

Just so you know I wasn't kidding


The Court has directed that all United pilots resume their normal individual working schedules and practices, and ALPA is hereby instructing all pilots to cease and desist from engaging in any slowdown, sick-out, work to rule campaign, refusal to accept voluntary or overtime flying, or other concerted refusal to conduct pilot operations in the normal manner. With this message ALPA is instructing that you cease and desist all such activity and cease and desist from all statements or communications encouraging such conduct.

Coto Pilot 12-29-2011 05:41 PM

The above only applies to active United pilots, the rest of the world is free to fire away.

A320 12-29-2011 09:23 PM

Gettin bumped is just a desk jockey hall monitor. He is one of those guys sitting in his office in ops. He doesn't fly much but loves to tell everyone he is a "Captain" for United Airlines. He directs his minions to harrass real pilots about KC delays. He loves his management station in life along with the extra pay. It makes him feel above the rest of us. Who knows where he came from. Maybe he is a member of the Viper Mafia slithering their way up through management. If he wasn't doing this he would be wearing mirrored sunglasses and working as a cop


Gettingbumped, You just do your job and I'll just do mine

A320 12-30-2011 07:12 AM

I wasn't advocating anything. I am just pointing things out you are not required to do

SlickMachine 12-30-2011 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped:1109363

Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1108876)
By the way I know you are just kidding.

Just so you know I wasn't kidding


The Court has directed that all United pilots resume their normal individual working schedules and practices, and ALPA is hereby instructing all pilots to cease and desist from engaging in any slowdown, sick-out, work to rule campaign, refusal to accept voluntary or overtime flying, or other concerted refusal to conduct pilot operations in the normal manner. With this message ALPA is instructing that you cease and desist all such activity and cease and desist from all statements or communications encouraging such conduct.

From now on, you shall be known as Richard Noggin. Please edit your profile name immediately to reflect this change.

SOTeric 12-30-2011 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1109363)
Just so you know I wasn't kidding


The Court has directed that all United pilots resume their normal individual working schedules and practices, and ALPA is hereby instructing all pilots to cease and desist from engaging in any slowdown, sick-out, work to rule campaign, refusal to accept voluntary or overtime flying, or other concerted refusal to conduct pilot operations in the normal manner. With this message ALPA is instructing that you cease and desist all such activity and cease and desist from all statements or communications encouraging such conduct.

There is nothing in this injunction that would prevent me from working my contract EXACTLY as written and that's what I would do. I would promote no campaign to do otherwise.

Y'all can do what you want.

So, is that legal?

APC225 12-30-2011 02:28 PM

There you go
 
CHAIRMAN'S UPDATE
A few weeks ago, I reported to you that we were in discussions with management designed to find a way for Continental pilots to participate in the 2011 profit sharing plan. Today I am pleased to advise you that we have been successful. Our pilots will indeed be participants in that plan and will receive profit sharing checks on Feb. 14. Given our continued sacrifices and efforts, our inclusion in the profit sharing plan is the only proper course of action that could have been contemplated. That said, as you all know, in the world we live in, things are seldom settled that simply and it is oftentimes difficult to part with those things that each side has negotiated for. The litmus test for management action more often than not is economic in nature and not based solely on right versus wrong. In this case, however, both the company and ALPA went into these discussions with an agreed-upon premise that it was in everyone’s best interest for all employee groups to participate in the Company’s prosperity.

Everything we achieve, whether contractually or otherwise, we do so through tenacity, hard work and strategic action designed to provide benefit for the pilot group. The effort to include all pilots working under the umbrella of United Continental Holdings, Inc. in the corporate profit sharing plan was no different. Thus, under the direction of your elected representatives, your union carefully weighed the avenues available to secure profit sharing, ultimately electing to capitalize on the outstanding B-767-200 aircraft sales grievance. The discussions with the Company were successful, and in the best interests of the Continental pilots as a group, we settled the B-767-200 aircraft sales grievance in exchange for being included in the 2011 profit sharing plan.

chuckyt1 12-30-2011 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by SOTeric (Post 1109648)
There is nothing in this injunction that would prevent me from working my contract EXACTLY as written and that's what I would do. I would promote no campaign to do otherwise.

Y'all can do what you want.

So, is that legal?

Yes it is legal. Sadly, there are those that believe the injunction prevents individuals from doing what they know is right.

For example, I would never fly more than 89 hours on the narrow bodies or over 87 on the wide body side. But that's just me. It would be crazy if everyone did that. Probably even force some recalls...

That's just me though...

Y'all can do what you want. :D


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